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Please explain to me why homosexuality is anathema to God.

Is it strange to enforce this physical limitation when the afterlife's more importnt?

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Ohioprof

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Good questions. According to God's design, the family model is a man-woman union. This issue is not about a mental connection between 2 people, or even love between two people. It's about translating that love into sexual expression to one another. God's standards are above that, and if we love Him so should ours.

The female complements the male in making up the other half of the family model. Without the female then the male would not be able to reproduce. Generally speaking, women tend to be more on the nurturing side, so they often fill that role also. Granted in modern society these roles have been dramatically shifted. In some areas this is a benefit to mankind (and possibly glorifying to God) and others it is not. We just see this particular issue in a different light, you may see it as transcending, and i see it as descending.
That's just one view. I believe God did not "design" a family unit at all. People create families, and many families through history have not fit this particular model. Families have changed form over time. Many societies have been polygamous. Some societies have practiced communal child-rearing and have not featured nuclear families at all. When the British encountered the Seneca tribe in what is now upstate New York, they found people living not in nuclear family units, but in large communal clans, in households headed by women. Men went off to hunt while women tended the fields and grew the crops. Quaker missionaries were appalled that the Indians were living in what they considered un-Christian groups rather than nuclear families. They saw the nuclear family as "God's design," and they set out to force the Seneca to change how they lived. They were also upset that the Seneca women did the farming, which they believed was men's work according to God's will, and they were appalled that the women had so much independence and even power in the tribe. They set out to force women out of field work, to eliminate communal farming and communal households, to get the Seneca men to farm and to live in nuclear family units on small plots of land, and to get the men to be the "heads" of their new nuclear families. They also tried to get the Seneca to convert to Chritianity. Over time, the European push to change the Seneca to be like the Europeans largely succeeded, though many of the Seneca resisted the white people's ways for a long time.

Thinking that there is only one way to live that is God's "design" can lead people into not recognizing the many possibilities for living on God's earth. This narrow way of thinking can lead people to force what they regard as God's will on other people. It's a dangerous way to think, in my view, because it can be disrespectful of people who may be different.
 
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So men should only sleep with their daughters/sisters/clones?

What DOES Genesis consider Eve to be? Adam's daughter, Adam's sister or is Eve just a clone of Adam, like taking a cutting from a plant...
Good question. And where did Cain and Abel's wives come from? They just pop out of nowhere in the story, don't they? If they were children of Adam and Eve also, then Cain and Abel practiced incest by marrying their sisters. And if these are everyone's ancestors, then we are all the products of incestuous marriages. Maybe that was the original sin, not eating an apple, which is healthy and gave Eve knowledge.

Of course, I believe both Genesis creation stories are just stories. Fiction is good, but we should never mistake fiction for actual history. Today we encourage our children, including girls, to eat apples and to seek knowledge. We've come a long way since those Genesis stories were made up.
 
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So men should only sleep with their daughters/sisters/clones?

What DOES Genesis consider Eve to be? Adam's daughter, Adam's sister or is Eve just a clone of Adam, like taking a cutting from a plant...

What do you think? Is your comprehension so mired in your nonsensical leanings that you miss the basic truth of things?

Your question is so ridiculous it doesn't even deserve an answer...you wouln't get it anyway.
 
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If God "designed" the family structure why isn't it the same throughout the WHOLE of the animal kingdom?

Man is not an animal. We are not of that kingdom. The animal kingdom is subhect to man. We are a separate and higher creation, and created in the image of God.

You do read the bible, don't you? :scratch: Or is your icon a mere ruse to you? :scratch:
 
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Point 1 - Humans are animals. I'm not even going to bother discussing that point.

Point 2 - Even *if* humans weren't animals, if the family structure was designed by God, why wouldn't everything in the animal kingdom have "God's Family Design"(tm) by default anyway, if it's God's Will?
 
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Just a quick word for Aetheriuslamia and Ohioprof..
What you feel is vastly diffferent to what I feel, but Genesis 2 has been quoted a number of times, and it says what it says. What you feel is irrelavent as it has no bearing whatsoever on Genesis 2. God created woman for man to be in faithful union, Genesis 2 says God created woman for man, it was for this reason that a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife and the two shall become one flesh.
The Pharisees felt it meant they could divorce but it doesnt say that, Jesus told them what it meant. So the Pharisees' feelings like yours bear no relevance to the truth that has been expalined.
In addition, celibacy is the alternative offered for those who didnt like Genesis 2 and Jesus affirmation of it. see also 1 Cor 7.
 
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So men should only sleep with their daughters/sisters/clones?

What DOES Genesis consider Eve to be? Adam's daughter, Adam's sister or is Eve just a clone of Adam, like taking a cutting from a plant...

It really depends on your take of the creation accounts. Some believe that adam and eve were the only people on earth, and some believe that the reason for 2 different creation accounts is that the world was also populated and the story of adam and eve is a focus on the fall of man and the line of Christ.

As far as eve's creation, since adam was made from the dust of the ground, is it hard to believe God could make eve from a part of adam? (The rib, or specifically 'curve', i have heard a few theories on it referencing the helix curve of dna but i think its mostly conjecture)
I liken the garden of eden to heaven on earth, so I don't apply my own faulty logic to it since it works in ways not of the world.

Regardless, It not only shows that man-woman are similar to each other, it also symbolizes that man inherently needs woman to be complete.

No offense, but I think you should spend some time working on your faith instead of studying the garden of eden.
 
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Point 1 - Humans are animals. I'm not even going to bother discussing that point.

No we are not. We are another creation---after animals.

Point 2 - Even *if* humans weren't animals, if the family structure was designed by God, why wouldn't everything in the animal kingdom have "God's Family Design"(tm) by default anyway, if it's God's Will?


Even if!

BECAUSE: We are human, not animal. Animals, while familial after their own kind are not subject to God's morality, because they cannot sin. They have no spirit.

God's idea for family is specifically for us.


I can't believe you need this basic education.
 
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Yes, the Edenic model is for us all..it's basic and perfect, and no improvement or variation is of God.

I have no idea what nonsense you are trying to add to this, but any relationship that involves sexual expression outside of marriage is outside of God's will and is sin. It is a dishonour to God. Period.
In the Eden model... your children have to marry each other... is that part of God's plan too?

*insert backpedalling, "the Eden plan only means homosexuality is wrong, but not what I do is wrong" double-standard arguement here*
 
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No we are not. We are another creation---after animals.




Even if!

BECAUSE: We are human, not animal. Animals, while familial after their own kind are not subject to God's morality, because they cannot sin. They have no spirit.

God's idea for family is specifically for us.


I can't believe you need this basic education.
although, you never actually answered my earlier question... in what specific, quantifiable way are animals different to humans?

Can you name any single observable trait that is unique to humans and utterly absent from animals?
 
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although, you never actually answered my earlier question... in what specific, quantifiable way are animals different to humans?

Can you name any single observable trait that is unique to humans and utterly absent from animals?
The eternal soul..the image of God.
 
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although, you never actually answered my earlier question... in what specific, quantifiable way are animals different to humans?

Can you name any single observable trait that is unique to humans and utterly absent from animals?


Yes. Humans sin.
 
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There was no incest because it wasn't a sin for the first families.

Incest means sex between two people who are related. Even if it wasn't a "sin" it was still incest because they were related.


No we are not. We are another creation---after animals.


BECAUSE: We are human, not animal.


I can't believe you need this basic education.

You're the one lacking in education. Read a biology book sometime. (And a dictionary.)
 
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Incest means sex between two people who are related. Even if it wasn't a "sin" it was still incest because they were related.

Semantics. It wasn't incest to God.


You're the one lacking in education. Read a biology book sometime. (And a dictionary.)

*laughing*

I am an ex-nurse. I have read the dictionary regularly.

Now, did you get any homework today?
 
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Incest means sex between two people who are related. Even if it wasn't a "sin" it was still incest because they were related.




You're the one lacking in education. Read a biology book sometime. (And a dictionary.)
Given your icon, do you not believe that God made us in his own image?
 
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