Please explain if no one is predestined

[Dr. Jack]

No. But “all” doesn’t always mean “everyone”.

When Jesus said whosoever, did He not mean whosoever?

 

[Hammster]

Can you show me a Bible uses unregenerate, and regenerated in 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 15?

No.

 

[Dr. Jack]

No.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[Hammster]

Why do you suppose that is?

Because it’s the words Paul chose to use.

 

[Dr. Jack]

Because it’s the words Paul chose to use.

Actually, they're the words God chose to use. So if God MEANT unregenerate and regenerate, why not just say that?

 

[Hammster]

Actually, they're the words God chose to use. So if God MEANT unregenerate and regenerate, why not just say that?

Paul wrote it. He chose the words he used.

 

[Dr. Jack]

Paul wrote it. He chose the words he used.

3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy
If they're God's words, how did Paul chose them?

 

[Hammster]

3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy
If they're God's words, how did Paul chose them?

God inspired scripture. He didn’t dictate.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

If you don't have the power of choice about what you want or not want to believe then you are a mindless robot.

 

[Dr. Jack]

God inspired scripture. He didn’t dictate.

Please define "inspired".

 

[Hammster]

Please define "inspired".

aroused, animated, or imbued with the spirit to do something, by or as if by supernatural or divine influence:

 

[Dr. Jack]

aroused, animated, or imbued with the spirit to do something, by or as if by supernatural or divine influence:

From the Noah Webster 1828 (What inspiration meant in 1828)

"INSPIRA'TION, n. [L. inspiro.] 1. The act of drawing air into the lungs; the inhaling of air; a branch of respiration, and opposed to expiration. 2. The act of breathing into any thing. 3. The infusion of ideas into the mind by the Holy Spirit; the conveying into the minds of men, ideas, notices or monitions by extraordinary or supernatural influence; or the communication of the divine will to the understanding by suggestions or impressions on the mind, which leave no room to doubt the reality of their supernatural origin. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 Tim.3. 4. The infusion of ideas or directions by the supposed deities of pagans. 5. The infusion or communication of ideas or poetic spirit, by a superior being or supposed presiding power; as the inspiration of Homer or other poet."

Now, the definition of inspiration as given the late Dr. Thomas Cassidy.

"Inspiration is defined as that work of the Holy Spirit of God upon the minds, souls, and bodies of the Scripture writers which makes their writings the record of a progressive divine revelation. When God determined to give to His creation the Self-revelation that we today call the Bible, He selected the Prophets of the Old Testament, and the Apostles of the New Testament, and through the agency of His indwelling Holy Spirit so over came the sin nature of these men that the words which He selected from the reservoir of the culture, education, experience, and personality of the man were His chosen words, and no others. This process of inspiration was two fold: Verbal, the very words that God selected were the very words that best revealed the mind and will of God to His creation. Thus, every word so inspired was in fact, the Word of God. Plenary, the collection of words that we call the Bible is, in its whole, the complete Word of God, without error or contradiction. The entire Bible, regardless of subject matter, is the infallible, unfailing, Revelation of God."

I agree with Dr. Cassidy, therefore, if God would have meant unregenerate and regenerate in 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 15, it would say that in the Greek text. However, it clearly does not.

 

[Hammster]

From the Noah Webster 1828 (What inspiration meant in 1828)

"INSPIRA'TION, n. [L. inspiro.] 1. The act of drawing air into the lungs; the inhaling of air; a branch of respiration, and opposed to expiration. 2. The act of breathing into any thing. 3. The infusion of ideas into the mind by the Holy Spirit; the conveying into the minds of men, ideas, notices or monitions by extraordinary or supernatural influence; or the communication of the divine will to the understanding by suggestions or impressions on the mind, which leave no room to doubt the reality of their supernatural origin. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 Tim.3. 4. The infusion of ideas or directions by the supposed deities of pagans. 5. The infusion or communication of ideas or poetic spirit, by a superior being or supposed presiding power; as the inspiration of Homer or other poet."

Now, the definition of inspiration as given the late Dr. Thomas Cassidy.

"Inspiration is defined as that work of the Holy Spirit of God upon the minds, souls, and bodies of the Scripture writers which makes their writings the record of a progressive divine revelation. When God determined to give to His creation the Self-revelation that we today call the Bible, He selected the Prophets of the Old Testament, and the Apostles of the New Testament, and through the agency of His indwelling Holy Spirit so over came the sin nature of these men that the words which He selected from the reservoir of the culture, education, experience, and personality of the man were His chosen words, and no others. This process of inspiration was two fold: Verbal, the very words that God selected were the very words that best revealed the mind and will of God to His creation. Thus, every word so inspired was in fact, the Word of God. Plenary, the collection of words that we call the Bible is, in its whole, the complete Word of God, without error or contradiction. The entire Bible, regardless of subject matter, is the infallible, unfailing, Revelation of God."

I agree with Dr. Cassidy, therefore, if God would have meant unregenerate and regenerate in 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 15, it would say that in the Greek text. However, it clearly does not.

Again, he was inspired, not dictated to. Regardless, the same idea is conveyed with the contrast between natural and spiritual. The plain reading makes it crystal clear.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Please define "inspired".

Verbal plenary inspiration: This view gives a greater role to the human writers of the Bible while maintaining a belief that God preserved the integrity of the words of the Bible. The effect of inspiration was to move the authors so as to produce the words God wanted.[23]In this view the human writers' "individual backgrounds, personal traits, and literary styles were authentically theirs, but had been providentially prepared by God for use as his instrument in producing Scripture." - wiki

 

[Dr. Jack]

Again, he was inspired, not dictated to. Regardless, the same idea is conveyed with the contrast between natural and spiritual. The plain reading makes it crystal clear.

Are you saying that all the scholars who cannot see that which you claim is "crystal clear", are either illiterate, or just plain stupid?

 

[Dr. Jack]

Verbal plenary inspiration: This view gives a greater role to the human writers of the Bible while maintaining a belief that God preserved the integrity of the words of the Bible. The effect of inspiration was to move the authors so as to produce the words God wanted.[23]In this view the human writers' "individual backgrounds, personal traits, and literary styles were authentically theirs, but had been providentially prepared by God for use as his instrument in producing Scripture." - wiki

Since the "effect of inspiration was to move the authors so as to produce the words God wanted"; wouldn't that mean God wanted natural and spiritual, and not unregenerate and regenerate?

 

[Hammster]

Are you saying that all the scholars who cannot see that which you claim is "crystal clear", are either illiterate, or just plain stupid?

I’m not making a judgement.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Since the "effect of inspiration was to move the authors so as to produce the words God wanted"; wouldn't that mean God wanted natural and spiritual, and not unregenerate and regenerate?

Dr. how do you describe a person without the Spirit of God dwelling in them? How do you describe the person in Adam with the same fallen human nature, that is a sinner by nature?

 

[Hammster]

Dr. how do you describe a person without the Spirit of God dwelling in them? How do you describe the person in Adam with the same fallen human nature, that is a sinner by nature?

Good questions.

 

[sungaunga]

Since the "effect of inspiration was to move the authors so as to produce the words God wanted"; wouldn't that mean God wanted natural and spiritual, and not unregenerate and regenerate?

I find it ironic that for someone who thinks Calvinism produces automatons, which I take it you believe is wrong, and it is, you believe God dictated every word. Technically speaking, the writers of Scripture are never referred to as inspired. Paul is referring to their writings and he says that they are God breathed. Paul was not inspired. The epistle to the Romans is inspired, as are the letters to the Corinthians, the Galatians, the Ephesians, and so on. Some writers of Scripture wrote only one brief book or letter and never wrote another "inspired" thing in their entire lives.

It is not the men who wrote Scripture that are inspired, it is the message.