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Are there any Christian accreditation institutions who's judgment you do respect?Maybe things have changed but I do know we treated TRACS schools equivalent to unaccredited schools in the applications we received.
Are there any Christian accreditation institutions who's judgment you do respect?
If he did not recuse himself during actions which related to ICR, yes.But regardless of the history of TRACS, do you not see a conflict of interest in having Henry Morris sitting on the very committee that accredited the institution he founded (ICR)?
He said accreditation institutions, not universities.Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College etc. etc.
He said accreditation institutions, not universities.
PhDs exist on a wide variety of topics. And yes, they take a lot of work. Note that a lot of the work involved, even in biology or geology, etc. is not dependent on evolution or creationism.Back to the OP. There's a little something which I'd like to get a creationist angle on. Why do PhDs involving evolutionary science exist at all? After all, obtaining a PhD is not a simple matter. It typically involves at least two years of work and study, which culminates in the production of a dissertation, which is defended before a panel of expert examiners.
OK, so he did a lot of work. And he did it following and using the paradigm accepted by the school.This is not something trivial (unless, of course, we are talking about a degree mill - but the Rhode Island uni isn't one) to be done. A dissertation must make sense and be scientific if it is to withstand scrutiny - and that's exactly what Dr. Fatovsky said of him in the article (second page) : "... he came here and did science that was completely defensible." And to complete a dissertation presenting a scientifically defensible theory is equivalent to personal assent that it is scientifically defensible - as indeed one will have to personally defend it before a panel of examiners who are out to bend it to its limit to see if it breaks.
He did the work according to their worldview and paradigm. As I've said, I do see an ethical problem with this. However, the creationist position is NOT that evolutionary science is indefensible. It is that the flood/catastrophic model BETTER explains the evidence AND that it is much more consistent with the explicit revelation of a loving omniscient God. There are also problems with it, but that hardly means that work cannot be done within that paradigm that is defensible within that paradigm. For example, the review board would not challenge the dates of the strata -- unless he used YEC dates.So here's the question: how come the science that Dr. Ross did was completely defensible? After all, if evolution is wrong, why is it capable of explaining the distribution of mosasaur fossils? The evolutionary explanation of fossil distribution is extremely different from a flood-based explanation of fossil distribution, and there is no reason why they should ever predict the same thing. But here is a creationist making defensible evolutionary science - when the creationist position is precisely that evolutionary science is indefensible.
Correct. Each paradigm explains the physical evidence. Just because it explains it does not mean it is right. For example, I am typing on a laptop computer in my lap. I could have picked it up and put it in my lap, or my wife could have handed it to me. Two theories, each completely adequate in explaining the observed data.Dr. Ross tries to fudge this by saying that they are "alternative paradigms". But if evolution is an adequate scientific paradigm for mosasaur fossil distributions - why, that is equivalent to saying that evolution explains mosasaur fossil distributions!
As I've just pointed out, alternative theories can each explain the same data.The only unsuccessful scientific theories are scientific theories that cannot fit the data, so if evolution is wrong, why is a creationist demonstrating that it can fit the data? If work done "without any form of interjection of personal dogma" (Geissmann in the same article) shows that evolutionary theory can fit the data - then why are creationists claiming that it can't?
And indeed - this is the ethical problem. Some people totally separate faith from their daily lives -- they manage to go to church, and not really apply anything when it comes down to Monday morning. I'm not saying that's what he did. I don't know him, or enough about him. I will absolutely agree that it is an ethical dilemma, and I will again add a bit of a catch-22 for creationists in general.Essentially I want to know: how do you write for two years and then defend before experts a dissertation on a "fairytale for adults"?
And indeed - this is the ethical problem. Some people totally separate faith from their daily lives -- they manage to go to church, and not really apply anything when it comes down to Monday morning. I'm not saying that's what he did. I don't know him, or enough about him. I will absolutely agree that it is an ethical dilemma, and I will again add a bit of a catch-22 for creationists in general.
He did the work according to their worldview and paradigm. As I've said, I do see an ethical problem with this. However, the creationist position is NOT that evolutionary science is indefensible. It is that the flood/catastrophic model BETTER explains the evidence AND that it is much more consistent with the explicit revelation of a loving omniscient God. There are also problems with it, but that hardly means that work cannot be done within that paradigm that is defensible within that paradigm. For example, the review board would not challenge the dates of the strata -- unless he used YEC dates.
Correct. Each paradigm explains the physical evidence. Just because it explains it does not mean it is right. For example, I am typing on a laptop computer in my lap. I could have picked it up and put it in my lap, or my wife could have handed it to me. Two theories, each completely adequate in explaining the observed data.
As I've just pointed out, alternative theories can each explain the same data.
Essentially I want to know: how do you write for two years and then defend before experts a dissertation on a "fairytale for adults"?
I'm more concerned with how. How do you spend two entire years researching biological and geological processes which according to creationists simply don't take place?
What about science is unbelievable, exactly? And if it is unbelievable, why waste your time studying and teaching it? I find the concept of flying, purple elephants unbelievable, and I could never bring myself to teach that such things exist. In fact, if I truly believed that there was no such thing as flying, purple elephants, and that such a belief could be damaging to the faith of others, is it not unethical of me to teach that such things exist?
Because everyone is telling logical fairy tale in sciences. And because everyone is telling fairy tales, so expert or not does not make a real difference.
In sciences, I gathered my data (90% existed, 10% new) and weaved it together by a logic sense. When I presented it to the panel (experts), they browse through the logic. If it is 80% acceptable, then they let you pass. In here, the degree of acceptability may vary from school to school. It is relative.
That is how a Ph.D. was earned (at least today). It does not say much about truth. That is why we see all kinds of Ph.D. around.
Don't get me wrong. If you are in engineering, then it would be a different story. You are not going to graduate unless you get the stuff work. The misunderstanding on their differences is a common source of unnecessary argument.
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