Planetshakers... not for the timid.

[ultima9999]

Ageism isn't an issue, denomination isn't an issue, theology isnt an issue.

My favourite speaker (Reggie Dabbs is 50+) and he was there for every session worshiping God, listening to teh speakers and being blessed.

a couple of years ago they had sometthing like 700 or so youth delegates from the Salvation Army.

The preaching is very passionate but also very biblical and solid. Every sermon there was scripture quoted and expounded apon, it's not just some hyped up motivational speakers.

Personal preferences about the way you are used to, and like, 'doing church' and your attitude are IMO the only things that could hold you back at Planetshakers.

Peace

Jesus loves you...even if you don't mosh :-0 ;-)

I agree with you 100% there.

 

[chickette]

I just wish that someone would please close this thread. I am tired of hearing about it. It seems that some have been offended by what is going on in here and I can't blame them.


To be totally honest, I am a fan of Guy but can understand why some people arent. It's really hilarious to hear my 3 yo in the car the other day when one of his songs came on saying "turn it up, it's Guy Sebasmen" ROFL. We all have different tastes and that's why its good that we have so much choice in what we CHOOSE to listen to.

I can understand why some people like Planet shakers, it's not my thing anymore, but I remember going to Youth Alive 10 years ago and imagine PS to be somewhat similar so I can understand why people like it.

I do believe that when in the presence of God there is a certain respect for the Holy Spirit that needs to be maintained. If that makes me old fuddy duddy than so be it. I know who I am in God.

This is all I have to say on the matter, so if you want to argue with me, go ahead because chances are I won't be reading it.

Good post mamaneenie. I understand where you are coming from.

 

[chickette]

And just to clear this up.....I was reading the "I'm disappointed" thread and I just wanted to say if I've offended anyone I'm sorry. But I've tried to share my opinion in the kindest way possible, so I hope no one has been offended by me personally and if they have, well I'm sorry!

 

[crashedman]

Well, we used to do talks at Antioch that were precluded by some headbanging and slam dancing. The reason why was that it was a good way to gain some energy to be alert and attentive for the talks. So I can't say that it's all bad. If everything is done in a monotone and in such a subdued, quiet atmosphere everyone would be falling asleep.

 

[Bevlina]

I just wish that someone would please close this thread. I am tired of hearing about it. It seems that some have been offended by what is going on in here and I can't blame them.


To be totally honest, I am a fan of Guy but can understand why some people arent. It's really hilarious to hear my 3 yo in the car the other day when one of his songs came on saying "turn it up, it's Guy Sebasmen" ROFL. We all have different tastes and that's why its good that we have so much choice in what we CHOOSE to listen to.

I can understand why some people like Planet shakers, it's not my thing anymore, but I remember going to Youth Alive 10 years ago and imagine PS to be somewhat similar so I can understand why people like it.

I do believe that when in the presence of God there is a certain respect for the Holy Spirit that needs to be maintained. If that makes me old fuddy duddy than so be it. I know who I am in God.

This is all I have to say on the matter, so if you want to argue with me, go ahead because chances are I won't be reading it.

Well, some people are a fan of his, and some people are not. I'm one who is not. I see no reason to close the thread because of Guy Sebastion.
Nobody wants to argue.

 

[Workingmum]

I have been to planetshakers and it is very loud but i think its great and so is the music… who says we have to be quiet and reserved when worshipping God? Yes sometimes it’s nice to relax and pray quietly but what difference does it make how we pray and worship when the intent is the same! Planetshakers is very passionate and it is a bit different, but so are people thus it may not be appealing to all…

Agreed, I love Planetshakers, they bring praise and worship to young people (and the not so young like me!!!) in a way that they relate to. It doesn't appeal to everyone, just like hymns don't appeal to everyone. As long as it glorifies God and encourages young people to glorify God with their music, I think God accepts all the praise they give Him. David in the Psalms talks about quiet times of contemplation with God as well as times of loud joyful praise - Ps 50 says to praise Him with the loud cymbals!

Personally, I would prefer young people listen to Planetshakers than any non-Christian music - it fills their souls with better stuff!

 

[Racheal]

Well said Workingmum I believe there is much worse stuff out there that kids could be listening to and participating in.
All i was saying when i started this thread is that its not for timid people.

 

[Workingmum]

Sorry, I've just hit this thread, so please bear with me as I catch up ...

OK ... can I ask a question here?
How can a person my age, and older put up with loud, loud LOUD music and alot of jumping around? How could we bear to be with hyped up young people even if they are bringing souls to Jesus? So, the question is, is Planet Shakers for the older people too?
The Church of God on earth is to bring ALL ages to Christ, this includes folk of 80 plus years in wheelchairs if need be, and on walking frames. Would this kind of a church attract them? Would they be able to tolerate the loud music?
The loud speakers? Your honest replies would be appreciated.

Bev, in the same way that the loud music doesn't appeal to the older generation (in general), the quiet music doesn't appeal to the younger generation (again, in general). We will never please everyone all the time - if we could, there wouldn't be so many denominations and so many churches springing up all the time. So Planetshakers aims at one demographic - other ministries aim at the others. Kinda like the apostle Paul being called to the gentiles and the apostle Peter being called to the Jews, in Acts.

 

[Workingmum]

It's the behaviour that would concern me. Would you have a big high-energy mass with heaps of screaming and jumping for somebody's funeral for instance? Or would you want something a bit more sombre?

No Crashed, you won't want that at someone's funeral - but a church service isn't a funeral, its a time of corporate worship, and sometimes people worship differently to others. I would imagine that church services in Africa would be a bit different to what we are used to and comfortable with, too - but they are still worshipping the same God we are, just in their own way.

 

[Workingmum]

I think one of the major problems is that there are many different worship styles and everyone doesnt agree with them.
In my particular church we have many older people who like their older music, us younger people respect that, we stand and sing the praises of the older music to our God, it might not be our style but we do it as a sign of respect to God and to the older people in our church.
HERES WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES.........
When we do get a chance to play any modern worship music the youth are the only ones who stand and sing. The older people sit down and just watch...The older generation dont pay the same respect to our music as we do to theres.

We suffer from the same thing in our church sometimes!

 

[Bevlina]

Is it really a suffering to the younger generation if we don't pay the same respect to the modern day music as the younger generation? Is it such a suffering that we don't stand and sing, or jump around?
Do young people realise the older folk suffer from arthritic complaints and other complaints as well? Are we really such a bother?
Remember, we have been children of God for a long time?

 

[Workingmum]

I agree ultima ... but I wouldn't be able to handle it at my age which is understandable.
However, this is for the young, and if the young enjoy their worship of God, then let them worship!!

See everyone, Aunty Bev says that we can worship with Planetshakers!!! Lets go!!!!

 

[marduke]

amen to all of what WM has said.

in my Church i think we have afew older people that dont 'mind' the more modern worship, but they do sometimes complain about it being too fast, which we always accomodate for, if we get one complaint that a song is too fast we wont do it again (unless its for a youth service)
but generally all the people in my church love the worship music. which i think is cool

 

[Bevlina]

did he do that this year again? where bouts? I know he did it last year at adelaide shakers and wow....it rained and the people coming out of the coffin......really did get ya thinking.

What do you mean people coming out of the coffin? What coffin?

 

[marduke]

What do you mean people coming out of the coffin? What coffin?

it was part of the visitng speakers message. it was really good. nothing to get worried about Bev it was all relevant to the Word of God.

 

[Bevlina]

In what way? Please explain. I know a girl who went to a meeting somewhere, she refused to mention the name of the people, and the speaker had people bring a coffin into the auditorium while everyone held candles and the lights were out. Then, the speaker pretended to raise someone from the dead & the cofin opened and a person "arose" dressed in rags. Her parents nearly had a fit that she had witnessed this as she suffered from extreme nightmares following that experience. Awoke screaming in the night.

 

[KristianJ]

In what way? Please explain. I know a girl who went to a meeting somewhere, she refused to mention the name of the people, and the speaker had people bring a coffin into the auditorium while everyone held candles and the lights were out. Then, the speaker pretended to raise someone from the dead & the cofin opened and a person "arose" dressed in rags. Her parents nearly had a fit that she had witnessed this as she suffered from extreme nightmares following that experience. Awoke screaming in the night.

That is just weird...

 

[Tavita]

I've not posted in this thread before and just spent half an hour reading through all the posts. The one thing that has struck me is the lack of teaching the young ones are receiving from the churches concerning 'worshipping in spirit and in truth". Are you taught that if you go to a concert and give all your energy and excitement into hyped music and dance, with jumping and mosh pits, that this is praise and worship? That giving to the Lord what you think He wants is pleasing to Him? Now, I'm not trying to be smart here... is this what you are taught? Or is nothing taught and you make up your own minds how you think God wants to be praised and worshipped?

Now, I know I'm an oldie, but I like rock music, blues, soul music etc, and LOUD! My youngest daughter, who's 21 and not yet a confessing christian, tells me, her mother, to turn the music down! But there is a difference in going to a loud concert to be entertained, and going to a meeting or assembly of people, to worship God.

I've been in church services and conferences, where Holy Spirit comes and tells people to dance on the chairs. Or, to dance around with vases on their heads. Or, to dance around the whole building, while the music is playing. Or, run around tables. Or, He wants them to put face to floor and be silent before Him. And it's because HE TELLS THE PEOPLE WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO. And that is worshipping under the unction of the Holy Spirit. That is worshipping in truth (I think it was Kristian who said that the whole of your life is actually meant to be worship unto the Lord) If you go to a meeting with good rock music and it's loud, don't be fooled into thinking that the response you get in your flesh (it feels good, so I will do it) is the Holy Spirit. The naturally high energy levels of youth are not worshipping in the Spirit. It's just energy being released. Learn to use your Holy Spirit given discernment in recognising the difference between the Spirit and the flesh.


(Joh 6:63) "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

(Phi 3:3) for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

 

[marduke]

I've not posted in this thread before and just spent half an hour reading through all the posts. The one thing that has struck me is the lack of teaching the young ones are receiving from the churches concerning 'worshipping in spirit and in truth". Are you taught that if you go to a concert and give all your energy and excitement into hyped music and dance, with jumping and mosh pits, that this is praise and worship? That giving to the Lord what you think He wants is pleasing to Him? Now, I'm not trying to be smart here... is this what you are taught? Or is nothing taught and you make up your own minds how you think God wants to be praised and worshipped?
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we are taught to worship God in EVERYTHING we do. not just song and dance.

and Bev ill have to get back to you about that one as i cant remember it at the moment (it was over 2 weeks ago) ill let you know when i listen to the CD recording of it when i get it.

 

[Bevlina]

That's OK Rob ... just remembered ... a member of CF told me the same thing, I can pm her and ask her which church it was. I know she was freaked out by it too. I just don't know the church, so am not accusing anyone.