Pity the lecturer trying to teach evolution in a Texas University.

[CarlaB]

By all means them, go out into the "poor and ignorant" third world and tell them all about it.

You can be sure they already know because they are living and dying it as we speak.

 

[timewerx]

Background checks already happen.

Here's other requirements:

A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:

• is a legal resident of this state for the six month period preceding the date of application,
• is at least 21 years of age (military 18 - 21 years of age now eligible - 2005 Texas CHL Law change),
• has not been convicted of a felony,
• is not currently charged with the commission of a felony, Class A or Class B misdemeanor, or equivalent offense, or an offense under Sec. 42.01 of the penal Code (Disorderly Conduct) or equivalent offense,
• is not a fugitive from justice for a felony, Class A or Class B misdemeanor, or equivalent offense,
• is not a chemically dependant person (a person with two convictions within the ten year period preceding the date of application for offenses (Class B or greater) involving the use of alcohol or a controlled substance is ineligible as a chemically dependant person. Other evidence of chemical dependency may also make an individual ineligible for a CHL),
• is not incapable of exercizing sound judgement with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun,
• has not, in the five years preceding the application, been convicted of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor, or equivalent offense, or an offense under Section 42.01 of the Penal Code (Disorderly Conduct) or equivalent offense,
• is fully qualified under applicable federal and state law to purchase a handgun,
• has not been finally determined to be delinquent in making child support administered or collected by the attorney general,
• has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, state treasurer, tax collector of a policital subdivision, Alcohol Beverage Commission or any other agency or subdivision,
• is not currently restricted under a court protective order subject to a restraining order affecting a spousal relationship,
• has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law in the grade of felony,
• has not made any material misrepresentation, or failed to disclose any material fact, in an application submitted pursuant to Section 411.174 or in a request for application submitted pursuant to Section 411.175.

I hope this includes a full personal profile (if possible) which includes a psychological profile and may take into consideration interests, religious affiliation, country of origin (for non-US born residents), internet activities, etc..

....Ok, I know that may be a little too personal for comfort but then again....

We've seen people who had no previous conviction of any kind and all their neighbors and relatives say they are a good person and then commit acts of terrorism.

And also people of clean records whatsoever, suddenly going turning into a life of crime like becoming a serial killer. If we have more exhaustive data, we could more accurately extrapolate a person's potential actions in the future....

....Now this gets creepy but such system should never be used to convict anyone who hasn't done a crime yet no matter how accurate the system evolves into. Such system should only be used for issuing firearms and maybe to help select eligible applicants for law enforcement.

 

[Cimorene]

Ignorance should be called out and stepped on wherever it's found, we owe it to each other and future generations to increase the worlds knowledge base, poverty and suffering go hand in hand with ignorance, people need only ask themselves why the most poverty stricken regions of the world are the most religious?

I don't think you got my point. I think most college students already know that creationism is ignorant, so there's no reason to get butthurt about it. I don't think it comes up in very many science classes at colleges anymore. At least it wouldn't at any of the colleges I'll be applying to.

 

[CarlaB]

By all means them, go out into the "poor and ignorant" third world and tell them all about it.

Are you saying that most of the third world does not suffer because of religion? does religion help or hinder the third world?

 

[timewerx]

double post

 

[CarlaB]

I don't think you got my point. I think most college students already know that creationism is ignorant, so there's no reason to get butthurt about it.

Butthurt? normal Americans should be outraged that this kind of ignorance is even tolerated in the US.
People should be free to believe what they like but they should not be free to undermine the education of the country with their beliefs.

 

[timewerx]

Are you saying that most of the third world does not suffer because of religion? does religion help or hinder the third world?

I think he meant it as a sarcasm.

It's the problem of the poor, they take "blind faith" to the next level of the worst kind.

When they are offered a chance to have a life other than their miserable life on Earth, they stop questioning and take it to the extreme.

 

[Cimorene]

Butthurt? normal Americans should be outraged that this kind of ignorance is even tolerated in the US.
People should be free to believe what they like but they should not be free to undermine the education of the country with their beliefs.

I think most normal people realize that there will always be those who are ignorant about something or another, and they don't waste their time getting bent out of shape about it. I have no idea where you went to school and college but creationism has def. never been taught at any school I've attended. We learned about it in history because of the Scopes Trial, but not in science or anything. The only reason I even know about some people still believing in it is because the friend who told me about this forum wrote a paper on creationism for her agnotology class, and it won this big award.

 

[CarlaB]

I think most normal people realize that there will always be those who are ignorant about something or another, and they don't waste their time getting bent out of shape about it. I have no idea where you went to school and college but creationism has def. never been taught at any school I've attended. We learned about it in history because of the Scopes Trial, but not in science or anything. The only reason I even know about some people still believing in it is because the friend who told me about this forum wrote a paper on creationism for her agnotology class, and it won this big award.

I do get bent out of shape and I get angry when I see US Republican politicians pandering to the religious people in the south.
I don't know why I should get angry because being British we never see it over here, I don't know why it bugs me but it does.

We have more than our fair share of ignorance here and that's with very little religion.

 

[Cimorene]

I do get bent out of shape and I get angry when I see US Republican politicians pandering to the religious people in the south.
I don't know why I should get angry because being British we never see it over, I don't know why it bugs me but it does.

We have more than our fair share of ignorance here and that's with very little religion.

Haven't US Republican politicians always pandered to people in the South? What's the point in getting bent out shape & angry about it when that won't change anything.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Haven't US Republican politicians always pandered to people in the South?

Only since 1968 and Nixon's 'Southern Strategy' to win over the racists who used to be Democrats.

 

[Cimorene]

Only since 1968 and Nixon's 'Southern Strategy' to win over the racists who used to be Democrats.

Interesting. Thanks! I live in Canada now but will probably take APUSH next year anyway. I haven't studied that time period yet. I realized my earlier post had a typo. I meant to ask if US Republican politicians had always pandered to the religious people in the South, but left the religious part out by mistake. My point was that I think politicians have long pandered to the people they want to vote for them. I think there are more religious people in the South and so more politicians wanting voters from there will pander to them and play up religion. I haven't heard anything about creationism being a political issue. I have tried to pay attention to the issues with the election. I'm surprised if it's still an issue. I know it is on this forum but I don't think this forum really reflects real life. At least it doesn't reflect my real life very much.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Interesting. Thanks! I live in Canada now but will probably take APUSH next year anyway. I haven't studied that time period yet. I realized my earlier post had a typo. I meant to ask if US Republican politicians had always pandered to the religious people in the South

Again, that's more of a modern development, pushed by Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority, which "played a key role in the mobilization of conservative Christians as a political force and particularly in Republican presidential victories throughout the 1980s."

I haven't heard anything about creationism being a political issue. I have tried to pay attention to the issues with the election. I'm surprised if it's still an issue. I know it is on this forum but I don't think this forum really reflects real life. At least it doesn't reflect my real life very much.

Creationism is not really an issue at the national level, except in a hidden way as the Republicans are big on 'choice' where parents can opt out of public schools (where evolution is, we hope, taught) and get money that can be used to pay for private religious schools (where who knows what they teach).

At the more local level, there are still plenty of political fights over creation/evolution in the schools. Such as the so-called Louisiana Science Education Act, passed in 2008, which allows "public school teachers to use supplemental materials in the science classroom which are critical of theories such as the theory of evolution and global warming."

And to tie creation and Republican/Democratic together, if we go back 100 years to the Scopes Trial, creationism was defended by (or Scopes was prosecuted by) William Jennings Bryan, who ran for President three times on the Democratic ticket. Republicans at the time were more the party of the elite: big business, industry, progress. Of course, they are still that, but as you say they have pandered to the religious right. Maybe in the 70s and 80s, these two strange political bedfellows came together in their hatred of communism, but now that global communism isn't that big a deal, the party's falling apart. Christians are coming to their senses that Republican presidents and the Congress have done just about nothing to advance stereotypical Christian right issues. Of course, the Republicans are hampered by the fact that most of that stuff is unconstitutional, so Christians will never get these prizes.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Butthurt? normal Americans should be outraged that this kind of ignorance is even tolerated in the US.
People should be free to believe what they like but they should not be free to undermine the education of the country with their beliefs.

It's an unfortunate side effect of democracy... Government is subject to a popular vote, so too many people think everything else is as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

Butthurt? normal Americans should be outraged that this kind of ignorance is even tolerated in the US.
People should be free to believe what they like but they should not be free to undermine the education of the country with their beliefs.

Well until we start flying the Union Jack, sport one of the largest mosques in the world in our backyard, and triple our tuition, we'll forego outrage.

 

[Cimorene]

Again, that's more of a modern development, pushed by Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority, which "played a key role in the mobilization of conservative Christians as a political force and particularly in Republican presidential victories throughout the 1980s."



Creationism is not really an issue at the national level, except in a hidden way as the Republicans are big on 'choice' where parents can opt out of public schools (where evolution is, we hope, taught) and get money that can be used to pay for private religious schools (where who knows what they teach).

At the more local level, there are still plenty of political fights over creation/evolution in the schools. Such as the so-called Louisiana Science Education Act, passed in 2008, which allows "public school teachers to use supplemental materials in the science classroom which are critical of theories such as the theory of evolution and global warming."

And to tie creation and Republican/Democratic together, if we go back 100 years to the Scopes Trial, creationism was defended by (or Scopes was prosecuted by) William Jennings Bryan, who ran for President three times on the Democratic ticket. Republicans at the time were more the party of the elite: big business, industry, progress. Of course, they are still that, but as you say they have pandered to the religious right. Maybe in the 70s and 80s, these two strange political bedfellows came together in their hatred of communism, but now that global communism isn't that big a deal, the party's falling apart. Christians are coming to their senses that Republican presidents and the Congress have done just about nothing to advance stereotypical Christian right issues. Of course, the Republicans are hampered by the fact that most of that stuff is unconstitutional, so Christians will never get these prizes.

I do know about the Scopes Trial. I thought anti-evolution attitudes were sort of along the same lines as attitudes about segregation. Like that it was something some people still had strong feelings about but most had moved on from a really long time ago. Tbh it's just too dumb for me to get outraged about when there's so many other things that are going on that I think are really front and center outrageous. I might feel differently if I went to a school where they were teaching fake science in science classes. I had no idea that still happened. I've grown up in the Pacific NW. To us believing in young earth creationism or whatever is exactly like believing the earth is flat.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

So, UoT not a gun free zone? I like it.