Pity the lecturer trying to teach evolution in a Texas University.

[AV1611VET]

Also, I am not going to change my profile picture just to keep up this strange pattern of dog and cat pics. Especially since it doesn't actually exist thanks to AV, and I doubt he will be changing his picture any time soon.

Check out this post: evolution in church

I just think it came back on him.

That's why I don't like to put people on ignore.

It has a way of coming back on you and making you look silly.

(And I can make myself look silly without putting people on ignore! )

 

[Cimorene]

Just a thought
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...f-houston-faculty-campus-carry-law-texas-guns
Universities in Texas are busy thinking of the consequences of concealed weapons amongst students. Better not annoy them. ..

I don't think most college students in Texas would be that ignorant about evolution for it to be a sensitive or annoying issue? My biology teacher got her PhD from Rice. I think it was actually in evo bio. Her husband worked for NASA. Imo the gun issue is a separate issue.

 

[CarlaB]

I don't think most college students in Texas would be that ignorant about evolution for it to be a sensitive or annoying issue?

Then perhaps it's about time they made their position clear and let the creationists know where they stand.

 

[Chris B]

I've never understood the propensity of a school wanting to hang a sign on their entrance that basically says:
"Welcome to our unarmed and vulnerable school, come inside and enjoy our target rich environment."

But then with all those students (so well known for being calm and cool, and for thinking ahead) carrying guns, then you've just moved to a gun-rich target-rich environment.

Higher odds: a external shooter coming in and being shot by a member of the student body, or one of the student body shooting a fellow student?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Check out this post: evolution in church

I just think it came back on him.

That's why I don't like to put people on ignore.

It has a way of coming back on you and making you look silly.

(And I can make myself look silly without putting people on ignore! )

Well, that, and one can voluntarily pick and choose when they feel like responding to someone better when they don't put people on ignore. I did consider doing it once, and instead decided to take a bit of a break from the site to cool off from my rage.

I think I will think twice before letting myself get dragged into a conversation about vaccines again.

 

[AV1611VET]

I did consider doing it once, and instead decided to take a bit of a break from the site to cool off from my rage.

I hope you're okay now!

 

[PsychoSarah]

I hope you're okay now!

My anger issues in general persisteth, but mine tendency to immediately lasheth out hath ceased... for the mosteth parteth XD

 

[Murby]

Higher odds: a external shooter coming in and being shot by a member of the student body, or one of the student body shooting a fellow student?

External Shooter = MUCH higher odds... 100 times greater if not more.

And actually, while I'm not against students carrying, I'm much more inclined to advocate for the teachers and staff being armed.

 

[essentialsaltes]

External Shooter = MUCH higher odds... 100 times greater if not more.

What do you base that on? The ones that come to my mind all involved student shooters.

Umpqua Community College
Virginia Tech

Going back to the guy in the UT belltower.

 

[PsychoSarah]

What do you base that on? The ones that come to my mind all involved student shooters.

Umpqua Community College
Virginia Tech

Going back to the guy in the UT belltower.

I recall that one guy that shot really young kids, it was a shooting I think last year, but I am a poor judge of time. He wasn't a student.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I recall that one guy that shot really young kids, it was a shooting I think last year, but I am a poor judge of time. He wasn't a student.

Maybe you're thinking of Sandy Hook? The context of the thread is college and university. I don't think even the Texans want to arm the first graders.

 

[CarlaB]

External Shooter = MUCH higher odds... 100 times greater if not more.

And actually, while I'm not against students carrying, I'm much more inclined to advocate for the teachers and staff being armed.

America sounds like a great country to raise kids in.......... Mommies packed your lunch box and yes you have spare ammo for your Glock in the side pocket of your pack, have a nice day honey.

 

[Chris B]

External Shooter = MUCH higher odds... 100 times greater if not more.

I'd have guessed at the the opposite!
Maybe American students are far more responsible and grown up, compared to my (long distant but well-remembered) days in the UK.

 

[Murby]

I'd have guessed at the the opposite!
Maybe American students are far more responsible and grown up, compared to my (long distant but well-remembered) days in the UK.

I think its counter intuitive in some ways. When you put a huge responsibility in someones possession, and you accompany that responsibility with education on how to handle it, the person themselves becomes more responsible.

Believe it or not, most people who have a permit to carry a weapon are more likely to back down from an encounter when they have the weapon, then they are when they don't have it.

People who carry weapons don't walk around thinking they're John Wayne.. its actually the polar opposite.. They know full well if they are forced to use that weapon, there's going to be a manure storm of investigation and questioning, and they will still have to spend their own money to hire a lawyer..

Carrying a weapon is meant to save your own life... Not win an argument or settle a disagreement with someone.. even when that disagreement doesn't go your way. If life is not threatened, you have no right to even display the weapon.

Here's some interesting numbers I just picked up from google.
There are 1.1 million police officers in the USA
There are 1.47 million carry permits in Florida alone..

You don't hear about normal citizens carrying guns killing others very often.. but you hear about police doing it unnecessarily on almost a daily basis.

 

[Cimorene]

Then perhaps it's about time they made their position clear and let the creationists know where they stand.

Are college students also supposed to let the flat earthers know where they stand so their position is clear?

 

[CarlaB]

Are college students also supposed to let the flat earthers know where they stand so their position is clear?

Ignorance should be called out and stepped on wherever it's found, we owe it to each other and future generations to increase the worlds knowledge base, poverty and suffering go hand in hand with ignorance, people need only ask themselves why the most poverty stricken regions of the world are the most religious?

 

[timewerx]

Just a thought
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...f-houston-faculty-campus-carry-law-texas-guns
Universities in Texas are busy thinking of the consequences of concealed weapons amongst students. Better not annoy them. ..

I think to make this work favorably, anyone wishing to carry licensed firearm in a university must subject themselves to an exhaustive profiling which may include background checks, interviews with people you go to work or school with.

So if anyone must carry a concealed weapon, we better make sure this person will do the right thing if the opportunity presents itself.

Of course, if they did not pass the profiling system, they will not be eligible to carry a firearm anywhere.

Just an idea.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ignorance should be called out and stepped on wherever it's found,

We're all pretty flat then, aren't we?

 

[TerranceL]

I think to make this work favorably, anyone wishing to carry licensed firearm in a university must subject themselves to an exhaustive profiling which may include background checks, interviews with people you go to work or school with.

So if anyone must carry a concealed weapon, we better make sure this person will do the right thing if the opportunity presents itself.

Of course, if they did not pass the profiling system, they will not be eligible to carry a firearm anywhere.

Just an idea.

Background checks already happen.

Here's other requirements:

A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:

• is a legal resident of this state for the six month period preceding the date of application,
• is at least 21 years of age (military 18 - 21 years of age now eligible - 2005 Texas CHL Law change),
• has not been convicted of a felony,
• is not currently charged with the commission of a felony, Class A or Class B misdemeanor, or equivalent offense, or an offense under Sec. 42.01 of the penal Code (Disorderly Conduct) or equivalent offense,
• is not a fugitive from justice for a felony, Class A or Class B misdemeanor, or equivalent offense,
• is not a chemically dependant person (a person with two convictions within the ten year period preceding the date of application for offenses (Class B or greater) involving the use of alcohol or a controlled substance is ineligible as a chemically dependant person. Other evidence of chemical dependency may also make an individual ineligible for a CHL),
• is not incapable of exercizing sound judgement with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun,
• has not, in the five years preceding the application, been convicted of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor, or equivalent offense, or an offense under Section 42.01 of the Penal Code (Disorderly Conduct) or equivalent offense,
• is fully qualified under applicable federal and state law to purchase a handgun,
• has not been finally determined to be delinquent in making child support administered or collected by the attorney general,
• has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, state treasurer, tax collector of a policital subdivision, Alcohol Beverage Commission or any other agency or subdivision,
• is not currently restricted under a court protective order subject to a restraining order affecting a spousal relationship,
• has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law in the grade of felony,
• has not made any material misrepresentation, or failed to disclose any material fact, in an application submitted pursuant to Section 411.174 or in a request for application submitted pursuant to Section 411.175.

 

[TerranceL]

Ignorance should be called out and stepped on wherever it's found, we owe it to each other and future generations to increase the worlds knowledge base, poverty and suffering go hand in hand with ignorance, people need only ask themselves why the most poverty stricken regions of the world are the most religious?

By all means them, go out into the "poor and ignorant" third world and tell them all about it.