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False. There was a clear association with spirits! Looking at an ancient Zodiac, we do not see just farm equipment that they saw in the stars, but spirit persons and spirit related creatures etc.
In the thread here, the limits of what we know relate to spacetime and laws of earth and the solar system. If time were star dependent then obviously spacetime in the bubble here would be affected by time!
Tell God that! 'God, you mentioned the wrong star groups, not so clever then, are you'? Ha.
I see nothing inferior about the constellations mentioned in Scripture, and it is clear that God Personally mentions that influence is involved!
God did not talk of a bunny in the influential constellations He cited. What sort of influence could be greater than to affect the time on earth, therefore the laws and spacetime!?When you look at a cloud and see a bunny, is that the work of spirits as well?
I disagree. They have dreamed up quite a few insane whoppers.If....... scientists quite like evidence before they start dreaming up foundationless fantasies.
Yes I do. So there.You don't understand science, and the same seems to be true of the Bible.
Rubbish! God speaks truth, even if it was also a part of some so called 'dressing down'.God was very clearly giving Job a dressing down in the verse you alluded to, and not delivering a lecture on astronomy - still less sanctioning astrology.
Yes I do. So there.
Rubbish! God speaks truth, even if it was also a part of some so called 'dressing down'.
He goes on to list more!
Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? 33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
Now that fits! If the stars set the laws, (ordinances) of earth! Right from the mouth of GOD!
God did not talk of a bunny in the influential constellations He cited. What sort of influence could be greater than to affect the time on earth, therefore the laws and spacetime!?
Obviously, God sets the ordinances or laws, both in heaven and here. Can you reset the laws of heaven to be the same as on earth or the other way round? The issue is how the laws on earth might be set, not who set them! If God arranged for time to be determined for earth from the stars, fine. If they have influence on earth, fine.Flaming heck. The stars don't set laws - God does, and God alone.
Obviously, God sets the ordinances or laws, both in heaven and here. Can you reset the laws of heaven to be the same as on earth or the other way round?
And which influential constellations did He cite?
Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
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. 31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? 32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? 33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
Now the definition of Mazzaroth is this ..
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]"Mazzaroth
Mazzarah - Hebrew Lexicon
- the 12 signs of the Zodiac and their 36 associated constellations"
Not only do constellations have influence then, but a tie apparently exists with the stars (bands which is defined as cords!) Clearly, the stars here are also associated with spirits.
Whoever said the bible is not a science book!!!? Astounding.
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Good reply, Pop's!
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False. There was a clear association with spirits! Looking at an ancient Zodiac, we do not see just farm equipment that they saw in the stars, but spirit persons and spirit related creatures etc.
Right, but exactly how different depends on what changed our position in the middle of the stars!
Did it tilt a little this way or the other? That is not known, is it?
As you know, if we changed a satellite distance from earth, that should affect the way atoms work relative to atoms on earth etc etc (clocks).
It seems reasonable to propose that if the stars affect the time, that our relative position (therefore time and laws here) is linked to the stars as an embryo is linked to a mother!
Says you. Yet God and all the early civilizations knew better apparently. Go figure. You would need more than opinion.Well... yeah. It's called superstition. Almost every natural phenomena throughout history has been associated with gods and other supernatural shennanigans. From the sun to the tides, the weather etc.
Great, and a cog moves in a clock...so?The solar system orbits the galaxy.
Well, if you knew real time and could talk about 5000 actual years rather than belief based years, we might look at that. Here is a summary of some scientific observations that show that the positions of bodies in the heavenlies was indeed different, but not for the reasons you probably think.When we look up today, we're seeing the same stars in a different position as we would have seen 5000 years ago.
Apparently not actually.It is known. It's actually relatively easy to calculate.
Hey, you haven't even shown any physics! Would you claim that time does not affect our laws, and is not part of 'our' spacetime???You fail at physics.
You can't find evidence to support your past state; you wouldn't even have came up with that idea without the bible seeming to clash with the observed world.
Obviously all all all all all all all all all evidence agrees from history and the bible that the stars have influence and a connection with the spiritual.
This thread takes it a notch up from that. The evidences of Scripture and history agree that the stars have influence and a connection with the spiritual. The focus is not on merely the nature change they also seem to indicate, but how all the wisdom of man in the form of science agrees that our laws do involve time, and are affected by it.
Obviously all all all all all all all all all evidence agrees from history and the bible that the stars have influence and a connection with the spiritual. Science claims our system is like a bubble. No one has ever been outside of that bubble! The startling reality is that if time were determined from outside our bubble, it would affect all laws in it! Now that is influence!
Science claims when it comes to physics is more spread out than in matters of biology. More like a group of scientists claim that our universe is like a bubble; lots of different physics theories are as of yet roughly equal in support. You can't really say science as a whole claims much when it comes to physics, just certain groups.
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