Physics and our place in the Universe

[SkyWriting]

Time then, is not just a component of our space, and laws, and matter, and motion. Time would be merely experienced here in our present nature and state as it now was part of it."

True. And the Creation of matter would alter time as we experience it.
Because of this effect, the cosmos could be created "old" as we would term it.
And as scripture describes.

 

[lesliedellow]

Real scientists don't discount the value of theories by lay scientists or the general public.

Real scientists, or at least the better known ones, have crackpot theories arriving in their email every day, about how Einstein/Newton/Faraday got it wrong.

 

[dad]

True. And the Creation of matter would alter time as we experience it.
Because of this effect, the cosmos could be created "old" as we would term it.
And as scripture describes.

Not sure I follow? Matter is just a word that applies to phuscal stuff basically. We do not know that there is just physical stuff in the far universe. Even if there were, we do not know how an alignment in the universe of our earth and system would be affected by that stuff! For example, gravity on earth and nearby is said to be the big factor in time dilation. That gravity is determined by mass (matter). That has nothing to do with a universe being 'created old' that I can see?

 

[dad]

Einstein is turning in his grave.

Well he should.

 

[dad]

The only reason the ancients placed importance on the stars is because their position marked the beginnings and ends of hunting and gathering seasons, as well as functioning as a natural GPS system.

False. There was a clear association with spirits! Looking at an ancient Zodiac, we do not see just farm equipment that they saw in the stars, but spirit persons and spirit related creatures etc.

Only by looking at the stars could the ancients orient themselves and find their way home.

That is true also. But they did not do so following a field of barley in the sky!

Observing and interpreting the stars were their ticket to survival. Gods have nothing to do with this.

False. The alignment of ancient temples, and the meanings associated to stars show that obviously spirits were the main issue.

FYI: the stars we observe today ARE different from the stars the ancients observed thousands of years ago. Because our solar system orbits the galaxy and so the relative position of the stars we see changes as we move through the cosmos around the center of the milky way.

Right, but exactly how different depends on what changed our position in the middle of the stars! Did it tilt a little this way or the other? That is not known, is it? As you know, if we changed a satellite distance from earth, that should affect the way atoms work relative to atoms on earth etc etc (clocks). It seems reasonable to propose that if the stars affect the time, that our relative position (therefore time and laws here) is linked to the stars as an embryo is linked to a mother!

 

[dad]

Real scientists, or at least the better known ones, have crackpot theories arriving in their email every day, about how Einstein/Newton/Faraday got it wrong.

Mickey mouse might not discuss things outside of Disneyland either..so?

 

[dad]

Well, not really. The last time the Sun occupied its current position in the Milky Way, the dinosaurs were just about to put in an appearance. The mere 200,000 years we have been around is a mere drop in the ocean.

Religion.

 

[dad]

A Christian lauding the merits of astrology. How interesting.

Pagans would revere their spirits and view things in that light. However, God also associated the stars with beings.

example

Job 38:31 -Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?


This is from the Almighty God, creator of the universe, and clearly states in no uncertain terms that the stars influence earth!!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case!

Yep. Well we had Einstein to sort that out for us. No doubt scientists will let you know when they need your help in constructing a new theory.

No need, they construct for what they know, and with the laws inside the bubble!

 

[lesliedellow]

Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?


This is from the Almighty God, creator of the universe, and clearly states in no uncertain terms that the stars influence earth!!!!!!!!!!!

He is saying n such thing. God is putting Job in his place, by comparing his own omnipotence, and status as creator of the universe, with Job, who can do almost nothing in comparison.

 

[lesliedellow]

Religion.

Science is not a religion.

 

[lesliedellow]

Mickey mouse might not discuss things outside of Disneyland either..so?

So scientists spend many long years becoming qualified as scientists, and will have spent many more as working scientists, so their theories aren't made up on the back of an envelope, last thing on Saturday evening, and without a clue what they are talking about..

 

[dad]

So scientists spend many long years becoming qualified as scientists, and will have spent many more as working scientists, so their theories aren't made up on the back of an envelope, last thing on Saturday evening, and without a clue what they are talking about..

Their theories are included here. Get a grip.

 

[dad]

He is saying n such thing. God is putting Job in his place, by comparing his own omnipotence, and status as creator of the universe, with Job, who can do almost nothing in comparison.

False. He mentions actual star formations and the fact influence is involved. No possible denying it.

 

[dad]

Science is not a religion.

If applied beyond it's limits and scope, of course it is religion and nothing but religion.

 

[lesliedellow]

Their theories are included here. Get a grip.

In your nonsense you mean? Somehow I don't think so.

The maths of Special Relativity isn't too hard. Have you ever read a book on Special Relativity - or anything else apart from the Bible?

 

[lesliedellow]

False. He mentions actual star formations and the fact influence is involved. No possible denying it.

True. The fact that particular constellations are mentioned is pretty irrelevant.

 

[lesliedellow]

If applied beyond it's limits and scope, of course it is religion and nothing but religion.

And what might its limits be? Anything you find disagreeable to your ideas?

 

[dad]

In your nonsense you mean? Somehow I don't think so.

The maths of Special Relativity isn't too hard. Have you ever read a book on Special Relativity - or anything else apart from the Bible?

No one is talking about special relativity not being real. The laws and spacetime of our solar system is not what we are looking at, think outside the bubble!

 

[dad]

And what might its limits be? Anything you find disagreeable to your ideas?

In the thread here, the limits of what we know relate to spacetime and laws of earth and the solar system. If time were star dependent then obviously spacetime in the bubble here would be affected by time!

 

[dad]

True. The fact that particular constellations are mentioned is pretty irrelevant.

Tell God that! 'God, you mentioned the wrong star groups, not so clever then, are you'? Ha.

I see nothing inferior about the constellations mentioned in Scripture, and it is clear that God Personally mentions that influence is involved!