Phone threat closes school that planned After School Satan Club meetings; superintendent considers review of club's approval

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

The sponsor of this club is a self-declared atheist organization. They don't even believe in Satan. They are just media trolls.
If the kids in the club are of the same ilk, I very much doubt that they will continue to devote much time to a being they don't even believe in (unless real Satanists get involved). I expect this club to dissipate very quickly.

Who cares, their message

The sponsor of this club is a self-declared atheist organization. They don't even believe in Satan. They are just media trolls.
If the kids in the club are of the same ilk, I very much doubt that they will continue to devote much time to a being they don't even believe in (unless real Satanists get involved). I expect this club to dissipate very quickly.

Actually, the Satan club seems to be getting more powerful. Why wouldn't Atheist devote more time with it? They know Satan is the devil to many religions. They don't seem to care about their kids or other kids going to these clubs. It takes one person to take the Satan club/temple to the next step. Worshipping Satan. I don't believe the Satan temple is going away at all. It will just get more powerful.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Saucon Valley must allow After School Satan Club to meet, judge rules​

L. SAUCON TWP., Pa. - Federal judge John Gallagher ruled Monday

FWIW, Judge Gallagher was appointed by Trump and cleared the Senate 83-9.

 

[Desk trauma]

FWIW, Judge Gallagher was appointed by Trump and cleared the Senate 83-9.

The deep state is everywhere.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Tiny update (from November) to this one, brought to mind by the Kansas approval in the new thread.

Pennsylvania School District Agrees to Pay $200,000 After Discriminatory Decision to Block After School Satan Club From School Facilities​

In a victory for free speech and religious liberty, The Satanic Temple, Inc. (TST) has reached a settlement with the Saucon Valley School District in a lawsuit alleging that district officials improperly blocked TST’s After School Satan Club (ASSC) from meeting in school facilities. The settlement comes approximately six months after a federal court ordered the school district to allow the ASSC to convene at the Saucon Valley Middle School, ruling that the district had likely violated the First Amendment when it prevented students and families from gathering on school grounds in connection with the TST-sponsored club.

The district has agreed to pay $200,000 in attorneys’ fees and costs to TST’s attorneys.

 

[durangodawood]

Tiny update (from November) to this one, brought to mind by the Kansas approval in the new thread.

Pennsylvania School District Agrees to Pay $200,000 After Discriminatory Decision to Block After School Satan Club From School Facilities​

In a victory for free speech and religious liberty, The Satanic Temple, Inc. (TST) has reached a settlement with the Saucon Valley School District in a lawsuit alleging that district officials improperly blocked TST’s After School Satan Club (ASSC) from meeting in school facilities. The settlement comes approximately six months after a federal court ordered the school district to allow the ASSC to convene at the Saucon Valley Middle School, ruling that the district had likely violated the First Amendment when it prevented students and families from gathering on school grounds in connection with the TST-sponsored club.

The district has agreed to pay $200,000 in attorneys’ fees and costs to TST’s attorneys.

What a complete waste of school district money.

 

[rjs330]

I wonder if people would feel the same way about a Nazi club. Do schools allow those?

I mean free speech and all.

 

[Belk]

I wonder if people would feel the same way about a Nazi club. Do schools allow those?

I mean free speech and all.

Try to start one and let us know.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Tiny update (from November) to this one, brought to mind by the Kansas approval in the new thread.

Pennsylvania School District Agrees to Pay $200,000 After Discriminatory Decision to Block After School Satan Club From School Facilities​

In a victory for free speech and religious liberty, The Satanic Temple, Inc. (TST) has reached a settlement with the Saucon Valley School District in a lawsuit alleging that district officials improperly blocked TST’s After School Satan Club (ASSC) from meeting in school facilities. The settlement comes approximately six months after a federal court ordered the school district to allow the ASSC to convene at the Saucon Valley Middle School, ruling that the district had likely violated the First Amendment when it prevented students and families from gathering on school grounds in connection with the TST-sponsored club.

The district has agreed to pay $200,000 in attorneys’ fees and costs to TST’s attorneys.

LoL, $200k and the group still gets to meet.

 

[rjs330]

Try to start one and let us know.

Why? I'm not a Nazi.

It's a hypothetical question.

I noticed you didn't answer it. I find that interesting. You see people are all about supporting clubs they feel are okay. The Satanist club of course is opposite of the Christians so everyone is all about free speech clubs like that. I wonder if they'd be so quick to defend a Nazi club. Or is free speech only for certain clubs?

 

[rjs330]

LoL, $200k and the group still gets to meet.

What a waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how long the club will last. I imagine there will be a few weird people in it and then a bunch of lookie loos who will come just to see what it's about and then bail cause they were there just for curiosity sake.

Will it end with a great loss of interest?

 

[JustOneWay]

What a waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how long the club will last. I imagine there will be a few weird people in it and then a bunch of lookie loos who will come just to see what it's about and then bail cause they were there just for curiosity sake.

Will it end with a great loss of interest?

Of course you would consider them weird people considering you know nothing about them.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

What a waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how long the club will last. I imagine there will be a few weird people in it and then a bunch of lookie loos who will come just to see what it's about and then bail cause they were there just for curiosity sake.

Will it end with a great loss of interest?

Well, that’s what settlements usually are. A financially punitive action to reinforce civil wrongdoing won’t be tolerated.

And they’re teens and it’s a club, of course it will end with there being a loss of interest. Which makes their choice to restrict it or be penalized even more baffling.

 

[durangodawood]

Why? I'm not a Nazi.

It's a hypothetical question.

I noticed you didn't answer it. I find that interesting. You see people are all about supporting clubs they feel are okay. The Satanist club of course is opposite of the Christians so everyone is all about free speech clubs like that. I wonder if they'd be so quick to defend a Nazi club. Or is free speech only for certain clubs?

I think the issue here is freedom of religion, not speech. Satanic Temple calls itself a religious organization and claims the same religion rights that others enjoy.

I do know that schools have never been considered complete free speech zones, and clubs dedicated to harming others would probably not be tolerated in that context.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Why? I'm not a Nazi.

It's a hypothetical question.

I noticed you didn't answer it. I find that interesting. You see people are all about supporting clubs they feel are okay. The Satanist club of course is opposite of the Christians so everyone is all about free speech clubs like that. I wonder if they'd be so quick to defend a Nazi club. Or is free speech only for certain clubs?

The big difference, which we all see but you apparently don’t, lies in that Nazis advocate violence and the overthrowing of ideologies and modes of life through force.

“I hate blacks, Jews, and all non-Aryan races” is somebody using freedom of speech to say hateful, moronic, bigoted things. “I hate blacks, Jews, and all non-Aryan races, so let’s meet to discuss how to destroy their property, commit violence, and subjugate them” would not be freedom of speech.

Kind of like “Joe Biden stole the election” is a moronic use of freedom of speech, but since it’s freedom of speech and not freedom of intelligent-only speech, it’s fine. “Joe Biden stole the election so let’s meet on Jan 6th in the capitol to lynch Pence and hold Nancy Pelosi hostage” is not freedom of speech and thus you can’t hold a club to discuss your plans.

 

[essentialsaltes]

As the thread on the club in Olathe notes:

[The law requires that] if the school allows one club, it allows all — providing the application process is complete and the group meets the guidelines for recognition.

The guidelines likely bar hate groups, and it might be difficult to find a faculty advisor, but if the guidelines are met, schools must allow the group. And I have no problem with that.

 

[Larniavc]

Tiny update (from November) to this one, brought to mind by the Kansas approval in the new thread.

Pennsylvania School District Agrees to Pay $200,000 After Discriminatory Decision to Block After School Satan Club From School Facilities​

In a victory for free speech and religious liberty, The Satanic Temple, Inc. (TST) has reached a settlement with the Saucon Valley School District in a lawsuit alleging that district officials improperly blocked TST’s After School Satan Club (ASSC) from meeting in school facilities. The settlement comes approximately six months after a federal court ordered the school district to allow the ASSC to convene at the Saucon Valley Middle School, ruling that the district had likely violated the First Amendment when it prevented students and families from gathering on school grounds in connection with the TST-sponsored club.

The district has agreed to pay $200,000 in attorneys’ fees and costs to TST’s attorneys.

Once again America shows it can do the right thing to stop bad actors riding roughshod of people's most cherished beliefs. A rare win for the faithful.

 

[Belk]

Why? I'm not a Nazi.

It's a hypothetical question.

I noticed you didn't answer it. I find that interesting. You see people are all about supporting clubs they feel are okay. The Satanist club of course is opposite of the Christians so everyone is all about free speech clubs like that. I wonder if they'd be so quick to defend a Nazi club. Or is free speech only for certain clubs?

No, it is not a hypothetical question. It is an attempt to poison the well. You are intimating people would not support it without any evidence. So give it a shot and see how it goes. Until then it is nothing but conjecture on your part.

 

[Miles]

Why not just have an Atheist club and call it that?

Satan, whether you believe that he's an actual being or just a literary character, has a long history of being the personification of evil. Things like murder, rape, suffering, injustice, all manner of violence and crime are inextricably linked to that name. Even when such evil is performed by religious leaders it can be described as satanic and most people will get the point.

 

[Pommer]

Why not just have an Atheist club and call it that?

Satan, whether you believe that he's an actual being or just a literary character, has a long history of being the personification of evil. Things like murder, rape, suffering, injustice, all manner of violence and crime are inextricably linked to that name. Even when such evil is performed by religious leaders it can be described as satanic and most people will get the point.

The adherents of a “faith” or religion get to define the deity(ies) of that religion or faith.
Popular (or traditional) notions as to the nature of such deities don’t enter into it.

 

[Arcangl86]

Why not just have an Atheist club and call it that?

Satan, whether you believe that he's an actual being or just a literary character, has a long history of being the personification of evil. Things like murder, rape, suffering, injustice, all manner of violence and crime are inextricably linked to that name. Even when such evil is performed by religious leaders it can be described as satanic and most people will get the point.

1) Many of those things are also true of Christianity though.
2) Even if that wasn't true, part of the whole point of using the name Satan is to upset Christians in a way an atheist club wouldn't. This is more about trying to drive home the point about complete separation of Church's and State by using a name that Christians, the people in power, would find inherently abhorrent.