Philosophical arguments against the existence of God

[anonymous person]

I know what a wife is. Implicit in my questions was, what is a "holy spirit"? From what I gather, it is a label for a thing that you imagine to exist, and that you imagine affects your thoughts by some undefinable and otherwise undetectable means. It is, for all intents and purposes, your imagination. Is that not accurate?

Not at all accurate.

Do you know anyone who claims to be born again?

Sure. It seems that you rely on your internal experiences to validate your internal experiences. You can't show that these experiences are valid outside of your head, but for reasons you have yet to make clear you continue to refer to them as if they should be of significance to others.

Is it your intent to convince others here that you are not simply imagining all of this god stuff?

It is not my intent to convince you that I am not simply imagining all of this god stuff.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Who did you have in mind, specifically?

Does it matter? Did you have someone in mind specifically, when you said that there are scholars who have no bias towards a historical Jesus that confirm Tacitus?

I'm simply assuming both are true since both are likely. There will be some who confirm Tacitus out of bias and some who don't.

You're not going to address my argument are you?

 

[anonymous person]

A tacit admission that you haven't supported a single assertion you have made in this thread.

Take it how you will my friend. I won't protest.

 

[anonymous person]

Does it matter? Did you have someone in mind specifically, when you said that there are scholars who have no bias towards a historical Jesus that confirm Tacitus?

I'm simply assuming both are true since both are likely. There will be some who confirm Tacitus out of bias and some who don't.

You're not going to address my argument are you?

Sure it matters to me.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sure it matters to me.

Ok...Ehrman

 

[anonymous person]

No, we don't. You claim to have a relationship with a supernatural deity/Jesus/spirit, a claim which you cannot demonstrate to be true.

A claim which I refuse to demonstrate to be true when the one asking me to do so cannot tell me why they want me to.

 

[Davian]

The fruit of the Spirit is produced in my life. The experiences I have cause certain things to be produced in me. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, meekness, humility, selflessness and self control among others.

Before Christ was my Lord, I did not produce these things. Now, the more I spend in God's awesome presence and in His word, the more I become like Him.

But nothing that could not be just a product of your imagination?

Ask and you shall receive.

I do not see how this differs from sending letters to Santa. Sure, I'd like to get free stuff, but...

And yes I can introduce you to Christ. He is a person.

Is that the same person that you we going on about earlier that may have existed 2000 years ago? How is he sill alive after all this time?

Your willingness to meet Him on His terms is of course a prerequisite.

Belief is not a conscious choice, but this still begs the question: is what you are going on about an accurate description of reality?

 

[anonymous person]

Ok...Ehrman

You're telling me that Bart Ehrman has a bias for christianity and this bias taints his view of Tacitus?

Is that what you are telling me?

 

[anonymous person]

But nothing that could not be just a product of your imagination?

I do not see how this differs from sending letters to Santa. Sure, I'd like to get free stuff, but...

Is that the same person that you we going on about earlier that may have existed 2000 years ago? How is he sill alive after all this time?

Belief is not a conscious choice, but this still begs the question: is what you are going on about an accurate description of reality?

Umm...

No. I am a new creation because I am in Christ.

 

[Davian]

Not at all accurate.

Do you know anyone who claims to be born again?

I do not dispute that you may believe otherwise. I am talking about that, for all intents and purposes, this is simply your imagination "talking" to you. It's not like you have information that you could not have arrived at otherwise, is it?

It is not my intent to convince you that I am not simply imagining all of this god stuff.

Are you here to confirm my suspicions that you are simply imagining all of this god stuff?

 

[Davian]

Umm...

No. I am a new creation because I am in Christ.

And I am a new creation because I am in my new Audi S5 and enjoying its supercharged all-wheel-drive goodness.

The question still stands: is what you are going on about an accurate description of reality?

 

[HitchSlap]

A claim which I refuse to demonstrate to be true when the one asking me to do so cannot tell me why they want me to.

Because you have made specific claims, and I'm skeptical as to their veracity. If you don't care to demonstrate their basis in reality, that's fine by me. The only reasonable conclusion I can come to, then, is that you're given to wish thinking, you know it, and that you don't care.

Ultimately, I'm not interested in what someone believes, but why.

 

[anonymous person]

I do not dispute that you may believe otherwise. I am talking about that, for all intents and purposes, this is simply your imagination "talking" to you. It's not like you have information that you could not have arrived at otherwise, is it?

Are you here to confirm my suspicions that you are simply imagining all of this god stuff?

No.

I am here to attempt to respectfully dialogue with people who have views different than mine so that I may help and edify and encourage and in turn be helped edified and encouraged by being able to help edify and encourage others.

 

[anonymous person]

And I am a new creation because I am in my new Audi S5 and enjoying its supercharged all-wheel-drive goodness.

The question still stands: is what you are going on about an accurate description of reality?

It sure is.

 

[anonymous person]

Because you have made specific claims, and I'm skeptical as to their veracity. If you don't care to demonstrate their basis in reality, that's fine by me. The only reasonable conclusion I can come to, then, is that you're given to wish thinking, you know it, and that you don't care.

Ultimately, I'm not interested in what someone believes, but why.

Thank you for sharing your opinion with me. I hope that in some small way at least, you have benefited from us talking.

 

[Davian]

It sure is.

Do you have any intention of substantiating that claim here in these forums?

 

[anonymous person]

Do you have any intention of substantiating that claim here in these forums?

If God sees fit, yes. If not, no.

 

[HitchSlap]

Thank you for sharing your opinion with me. I hope that in some small way at least, you have benefited from us talking.

Well, you've certainly reaffirmed my opinion of man's penchant for holding onto beliefs that are unsupportable

 

[anonymous person]

Well, you've certainly reaffirmed my opinion of man's penchant for holding onto beliefs that are unsupportable

Well I am both excited and encouraged, for it seems you indeed have learned something from talking with me and I have learned much from talking with you. This is one reason why I love talking with people here.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You're telling me that Bart Ehrman has a bias for christianity and this bias taints his view of Tacitus?

Is that what you are telling me?

I'm saying that he has a bias towards a historical Jesus.

Now that I've answered your many many questions that have nothing to do with this thread, are you going to address the argument I presented or not?