Philosophical arguments against the existence of God

[Davian]

I'm not talking about your house, I'm talking about the material that your brain is composed of including the energy that mind operates on. There are precise laws that govern those material things. Consciousness transects those material things, consciousness is liberated from the grasp of their material properties, consciousness is not effected by gravitational pull on those things.

"...because I say so..."

 

[Colter]

112:2.11 "As mind pursues reality to its ultimate analysis, matter vanishes to the material senses but may still remain real to mind. When spiritual insight pursues that reality which remains after the disappearance of matter and pursues it to an ultimate analysis, it vanishes to mind, but the insight of spirit can still perceive cosmic realities and supreme values of a spiritual nature. Accordingly does science give way to philosophy, while philosophy must surrender to the conclusions inherent in genuine spiritual experience. Thinking surrenders to wisdom, and wisdom is lost in enlightened and reflective worship.

In science the human self observes the material world; philosophy is the observation of this observation of the material world; religion, true spiritual experience, is the experiential realization of the cosmic reality of the observation of the observation of all this relative synthesis of the energy materials of time and space. To build a philosophy of the universe on an exclusive materialism is to ignore the fact that all things material are initially conceived as real in the experience of human consciousness. The observer cannot be the thing observed; evaluation demands some degree of transcendence of the thing which is evaluated." 1955

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm not talking about your house, I'm talking about the material that your brain is composed of including the energy that mind operates on. There are precise laws that govern those material things. Consciousness transects those material things, consciousness is liberated from the grasp of their material properties, consciousness is not effected by gravitational pull on those things.

I hear what you're saying. What evidence do you have for this claim?

 

[Colter]

I hear what you're saying. What evidence do you have for this claim?

I would think it would be self evident to you.

 

[HitchSlap]

I would think it would be self evident to you.

I was about to say the same thing to you.

 

[Colter]

I was about to say the same thing to you.

errrrm, ok great, I'm glad we go all that cleared up.

 

[The Cadet]

112:2.11 "As mind pursues reality to its ultimate analysis, matter vanishes to the material senses but may still remain real to mind. When spiritual insight pursues that reality which remains after the disappearance of matter and pursues it to an ultimate analysis, it vanishes to mind, but the insight of spirit can still perceive cosmic realities and supreme values of a spiritual nature. Accordingly does science give way to philosophy, while philosophy must surrender to the conclusions inherent in genuine spiritual experience. Thinking surrenders to wisdom, and wisdom is lost in enlightened and reflective worship.

In science the human self observes the material world; philosophy is the observation of this observation of the material world; religion, true spiritual experience, is the experiential realization of the cosmic reality of the observation of the observation of all this relative synthesis of the energy materials of time and space. To build a philosophy of the universe on an exclusive materialism is to ignore the fact that all things material are initially conceived as real in the experience of human consciousness. The observer cannot be the thing observed; evaluation demands some degree of transcendence of the thing which is evaluated." 1955

I did acid a few weeks ago and my thoughts were more coherent than this. Yeesh.

 

[Laury]

Its not complicated, if mind were limited to the mechanism of simple bio-chemical processes, we would not have two "differing interpretations of any observed phenomenon." We would both agree if we were just robots.

... errrm, what makes you think we have the same brain and body?

 

[HitchSlap]

errrrm, ok great, I'm glad we go all that cleared up.

"As as un-muddied lake."

 

[Colter]

I did acid a few weeks ago and my thoughts were more coherent than this. Yeesh.

I loved acid as a teenager but all the insights weren't enduring the next day. Just a sore jaw from the strychnine.

It's not the easiest book to read especially solitary paragraphs but I understand what it's trying to say most of the time. The celestial authors had to dumb down content due to the poverty of concepts they had to work with.

 

[HitchSlap]

I loved acid as a teenager but all the insights weren't enduring the next day. Just a sore jaw from the strychnine.

It's not the easiest book to read especially solitary paragraphs but I understand what it's trying to say most of the time. The celestial authors had to dumb down content due to the poverty of concepts they had to work with.

The UB is not any different from any other book written by ... men.
There's nothing revelatory about it, nothing that couldn't have been made up by anyone familiar with current knowledge. It's success lies in the fact that those who read it are imbued with a sense of superiority; as if they possess knowledge others don't. It's easy to fool ourselves.

 

[Colter]

The UB is not any different from any other book written by ... men.
There's nothing revelatory about it, nothing that couldn't have been made up by anyone familiar with current knowledge. It's success lies in the fact that those who read it are imbued with a sense of superiority; as if they possess knowledge others don't. It's easy to fool ourselves.

You have read the Urantia Book?

 

[HitchSlap]

You have read the Urantia Book?

Nope.

 

[Colter]

Nope.

Ok, I figured you must have read it.

 

[HitchSlap]

Ok, I figured you must have read it.

What's the point? There's a lot of books out there to read, which doesn't leave much time for the frauds.

From Wiki:
"Examples of criticisms regarding the science in The Urantia Book include:

• The described formation of the solar system is consistent with the Chamberlin-Moulton planetesimal hypothesis,[103] which though popular in the early part of the 20th century, was discarded by the 1940s after major flaws were noted.[104] The currently accepted scientific explanation for the origin of the solar system is based on the nebular hypothesis."

 

[HitchSlap]

BTW, Colter, does the UB claim that dinosaurs went extinct because mammals ate their eggs?

 

[Colter]

What's the point? There's a lot of books out there to read, which doesn't leave much time for the frauds.

From Wiki:
"Examples of criticisms regarding the science in The Urantia Book include:

• The described formation of the solar system is consistent with the Chamberlin-Moulton planetesimal hypothesis,[103] which though popular in the early part of the 20th century, was discarded by the 1940s after major flaws were noted.[104] The currently accepted scientific explanation for the origin of the solar system is based on the nebular hypothesis."

Its still a working theory. The UB says our sun is 6 Billion years old and the Andronover nebula was initiated 875 Billion years ago. The science of the UB is odd, the celestials explain why. Some things were used that appear to be outdated, other stuff was used that was out of favor at the time such as plate tectonics but now validated. Still other bizarre claims have yet to be substantiated.

 

[Colter]

BTW, Colter, does the UB claim that dinosaurs went extinct because mammals ate their eggs?

No, the small brained large dinosaurs died out because of food scarcity and a lack of intelligence to deal with the situation.

 

[HitchSlap]

No, the small brained large dinosaurs died out because of food scarcity and a lack of intelligence to deal with the situation.

It wasn't the Chixculub asteroid?

 

[Colter]

It wasn't the Chixculub asteroid?

No, there is no mention of the Chixculub impact. There is a long narration of the 550,00,000 year evolution of life on earth. Dinosaurs came and went at different ages.