Persons in creation pre-existing conception?

[GoldenKingGaze]

I'm using the word (charge/account/impute to) Scripture uses (Heb: chasab, Ge 15:6; Gr: logizomai, Ro 4:3) in this regard in the case of Abraham.

From Biblehub:

chashab: To think, plan, reckon, account, consider, devise, esteem
Original Word: חָשַׁב
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chashab
Pronunciation: khaw-shab'
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-shab')
KJV: (make) account (of), conceive, consider, count, cunning (man, work, workman), devise, esteem, find out, forecast, hold, imagine, impute, invent, be like, mean, purpose, reckon(-ing be made), regard, think
NASB: considered, devise, reckoned, skillful workman, devised, regarded, calculate
Word Origin: [a primitive root]

1. (properly) to plait or interpenetrate, i.e. (literally) to weave or (gen.) to fabricate
2. (figuratively) to plot or contrive (usually in a malicious sense)
3. hence (from the mental effort) to think, regard, value, compute

logizomai: To reckon, to consider, to account, to think, to impute.
Original Word: λογίζομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: logizomai
Pronunciation: lo-GHEE-zom-ahee
Phonetic Spelling: (log-id'-zom-ahee)
KJV: conclude, (ac-)count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on)
NASB: credited, consider, regard, regarded, take into account, considered, numbered
Word Origin: [middle voice from G3056 (λόγος - word)]

1. to take an inventory, i.e. estimate
{literally or figuratively}
End Biblehub.

"Interpenetrate" is important! We can hear the Gospel and believe and repent, then we are forgiven, and receive grace, sprinkled with the blood for a clear conscience and if not already a clean heart. Hebrews 10:22. The sacred blood infuses righteousness into us. Not the idea of mere reckoning or casting a shadow. The Spirit touched the great deep and in effect then was the change. Genesis 1:2

The word, faith, conviction, receive by faith, soften to it and there is infusion of righteousness. Similarly by faith and the sacred blood applied.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

In the Bible, the word "flesh" is used for the human body and for the sinful nature. But ones interpret this to mean the physical flesh is the problem. My opinion is there is our spiritual level of "flesh". It means whatever in us is capable of sinning, meaning at our spiritual level. But yes we have ones who blame the physical flesh for our sin problems

But it is not our physical DNA that passes on the spiritual problem of sin, I offer. But there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," our Apostle Paul mentions in Ephesians 2:2. My opinion is that parents with this disobedient spirit can infect their conceived children, right from conception. And this is why children very young already can be so about their own selves and able to lie and scream for their own way, versus having a natural tendency to share and care in love as family.

Below, I have quoted how Clare does not at all agree with this.

It seems we have three theories for how sin moves along through the family line. You seem to say through the physical flesh, which I do not blame. And I say the infection of Satan's spirit passes on right with conception. And Clare seems to be saying it is "imputed", which can mean we are born with the record.

Blaming the flesh?? lolololololololol "The flesh did it." It can feel like the flesh is getting us to sin, in my experience; however, I would say the real cause is deeper.

Well, charging me with what I am not guilty of doing, myself . . . might not be . . . just. But if Satan's evil spirit (Ephesians 2:2) passes on to me and infects me with selfishness . . . now it is my selfishness, my problem, and I am guilty.

Romans 7:17-23, and Paul explains that sin is in the flesh, but is not the flesh. Early gnostic heretis thought matter was evil, but the apostles and Paul explained that it was an error. Jesus and John the baptist were not sons of disobedience, John was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb. But John had a sinful nature. Jesus had a real body with no sin. He was given a human like nature.

 

[Clare73]

From Biblehub:
chashab: To think, plan, reckon, account, consider, devise, esteem
Original Word: חָשַׁב
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chashab
Pronunciation: khaw-shab'
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-shab')
KJV: (make) account (of), conceive, consider, count, cunning (man, work, workman), devise, esteem, find out, forecast, hold, imagine, impute, invent, be like, mean, purpose, reckon(-ing be made), regard, think
NASB: considered, devise, reckoned, skillful workman, devised, regarded, calculate
Word Origin: [a primitive root]
1. (properly) to plait or interpenetrate, i.e. (literally) to weave or (gen.) to fabricate
2. (figuratively) to plot or contrive (usually in a malicious sense)
3. hence (from the mental effort) to think, regard, value, compute
logizomai: To reckon, to consider, to account, to think, to impute.
Original Word: λογίζομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: logizomai
Pronunciation: lo-GHEE-zom-ahee
Phonetic Spelling: (log-id'-zom-ahee)
KJV: conclude, (ac-)count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on)
NASB: credited, consider, regard, regarded, take into account, considered, numbered
Word Origin: [middle voice from G3056 (λόγος - word)]

1. to take an inventory, i.e. estimate
{literally or figuratively}
End Biblehub.

"Interpenetrate" is important!

The Biblial usage of "impute" is not to "interpenetrate."

"Impute" is "to charge, account, reckon to". . .as God charged, accounted, reckoned righteousness to Abraham (Ge 15:6) because of his faith (in the promise, Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) not because of his moral performance. . .just as God reckons us righteous because of our faith in Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8-9).