Perpetual Virginity

[Godzman]

Yes, Man of God. It is dogma.



That would be because they are poorly informed.



Ezekiel 44 :: King James Version (KJV)
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This wouldn't have to be explained to a Jew.

Adelphos in the SS does not mean 'brother'. It means kinsman or close relative, otherwise Laban and Jacob were brothers, not in-laws. There are many examples. In some places, it can mean brother, as the choice of the translator depending on context.

In secular Greek, it does usually mean simply brother, but the SS are translating what the folks in Nazareth are saying and they are probably not speaking Gk.

The folks in Nazareth were probably speaking Aramaic

 

[Michelina]

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[Benedicta00]

I was wondering, and don't qoute me but I heard Sean Hannity, who by the way is catholic, say that he wouldn't see the problem with Jesus having brothers and sisters. I am assuming he meant children of Mary but I could be wrong.

I wouldn’t expect nothing less from a secularized Fox news guy. While you at it, quote some Bill O’Rilley, he is the poster boy for the Catholic Church.

 

[KennySe]

It has allways been my undrestanding of the passage in Ezekiel you refer to Calvin took the same rendering as Augustine "I think" which is in direct opposition to the one you take from this book.

I did a web search and found the following.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/Mry.htm

St. Augustine of Hippo (+430 A.D.), De Annunt. Dom. iii:
"It is written (Ezekiel 44, 2): 'This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. Because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it...' What means this closed gate in the house of the Lord, except that Mary is to be ever inviolate? What does it mean that 'no man shall pass through it,' save that Joseph shall not know her? And what is this - 'The Lord alone enters in and goeth out by it,' except that the Holy Ghost shall impregnate her, and that the Lord of Angels shall be born of her? And what means this - 'It shall be shut for evermore,' but that Mary is a Virgin before His birth, a Virgin in His birth, and a Virgin after His birth."​

 

[Miss Shelby]

he mentioned it on his radio show.

I like sean and Bill O'Reilly to, although I am not catholic, I was curious about what Catholics think of both these guys from Fox News.

I like them both as new analysts. I cannot speculate on how well they know/live their faith because I do not watch their programs enough, and I'm not sure that would be an appropriate way to gauge it anyway.

Michelle

 

[joelbarrutia]

I think if Mary was reading this thread it would maker her quite uncomfortable. (us talking about her virginity and all…)

 

[nyj]

What is with the screen?

In the part which said "See this passage in: <listing of various languages>" was copy/pasted as one huge word and it was mucking up the wrap-around feature. Once removed (it didn't impact the conversation one way or another) the problems ceased.

 

[Benedicta00]

I like them both as new analysts. I cannot speculate on how well they know/live their faith because I do not watch their programs enough, and I'm not sure that would be an appropriate way to gauge it anyway.

Michelle

I have listen to them enough and know it or not, they do not support it all that well. Bill O’Rilley lies, plain and simple and bashes the Church more than non catholics do. He even went on a tangent a while back saying that the pope was senile and didn’t know his own name and called Ratzinger “the shark that swims around him”. The pope proves every Wednesday he is not senile. Bill O’Rilley must not be counting on actual Catholics to listen to his show who obviously know better.

 

[KennySe]

Actually, I think Mary would be pleased that we are defending her sacred Ever Virginity.

Nobody talks dirt about our momma.

 

[Miss Shelby]

I have listen to them enough and know it or not, they do not support it all that well. Bill O’Rilley lies, plain and simple and bashes the Church more than non catholics do. He even went on a tangent a while back saying that the pope was senile and didn’t know his own name and called Ratzinger “the shark that swims around him”. The pope proves every Wednesday he is not senile. Bill O’Rilley must not be counting on actual Catholics to listen to his show who obviously know better.

Wow. That's to bad. I really used to like him. It's a good thing I don't watch it too much anymore.

Michelle

 

[BBAS 64]

the book is called "United in heart, divided in Faith" by Sandra L. Stanko

Thank you Kimber1

BBAS

 

[kimber1]

/me pokes her head back in to say you're welcome and runs back out...

 

[BBAS 64]

I did a web search and found the following.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/Mry.htm


St. Augustine of Hippo (+430 A.D.), De Annunt. Dom. iii:
"It is written (Ezekiel 44, 2): 'This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. Because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it...' What means this closed gate in the house of the Lord, except that Mary is to be ever inviolate? What does it mean that 'no man shall pass through it,' save that Joseph shall not know her? And what is this - 'The Lord alone enters in and goeth out by it,' except that the Holy Ghost shall impregnate her, and that the Lord of Angels shall be born of her? And what means this - 'It shall be shut for evermore,' but that Mary is a Virgin before His birth, a Virgin in His birth, and a Virgin after His birth."
​

Thank you for the correction Kenny.

BBAS

 

[Michelina]

Adelphos in the SS does not mean 'brother'. It means kinsman or close relative, otherwise Laban and Jacob were brothers, not in-laws. There are many examples. In some places, it can mean brother, as the choice of the translator depending on context.

Is there a greek concordance online?

 

[isshinwhat]

Origen (185-254)

The Commentary on the Gospel of John
Book I

6. ...none of these [the other Gospel writers] plainly declared His Godhead, as John does when he makes Him say, "I am the light of the world," "I am the way and the truth and the life," "I am the resurrection, "I am the door," "I am the good shepherd;" and in the Apocalypse, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." We may therefore make bold to say that the Gospels are the first fruits of all the Scriptures, but that of the Gospels that of John is the first fruits. No one can apprehend the meaning of it except he have lain on Jesus' breast and received from Jesus Mary to be his mother also. Such a one must he become who is to be another John, and to have shown to him, like John, by Jesus Himself Jesus as He is. For if Mary, as those declare who with sound mind extol her, had no other son but Jesus, and yet Jesus says to His mother, "Woman, behold thy son," and not "Behold you have this son also," then He virtually said to her, "Lo, this is Jesus, whom thou didst bear." Is it not the case that every one who is perfect lives himself no longer, but Christ lives in him; and if Christ lives in him, then it is said of him to Mary, "Behold thy son Christ."

I quoted this a while back. It helped me understand the Motherhood of Mary, and it is an ancient recording of the Perpetual Virginity.

Gob Bless,

Neal

 

[Oblio]

Thank you Neal for posting that again. All who are in Christ, and have Christ in them, have the Theotokos for a Mother.

 

[isshinwhat]

Christ be praised!

Peace be with you.

Neal

 

[thereselittleflower]

I did a web search and found the following.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/Mry.htm


St. Augustine of Hippo (+430 A.D.), De Annunt. Dom. iii:
"It is written (Ezekiel 44, 2): 'This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. Because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it...' What means this closed gate in the house of the Lord, except that Mary is to be ever inviolate? What does it mean that 'no man shall pass through it,' save that Joseph shall not know her? And what is this - 'The Lord alone enters in and goeth out by it,' except that the Holy Ghost shall impregnate her, and that the Lord of Angels shall be born of her? And what means this - 'It shall be shut for evermore,' but that Mary is a Virgin before His birth, a Virgin in His birth, and a Virgin after His birth."
​

Thank you Kenny!




Peace in Him!

 

[prodromos]

Didn't the original 'Our Lady of Vladimir' (patterned after the Icon written by St. Luke) have the 3 asteriks that symbolize the Ever Virginity of the Theotokos ?

I think the significance of this is lost on most of the people reading this thread.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Prodromos-
Can you elaborate on what you meant by your last post?