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kimber1

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i was reading in a book given to me the other day (thanks emma ) that both Luther and Calvin believed Mary's virginity continued after Jesus' birth, and that Ezekiel 44:2 could possibly refer to Mary's womb being "closed" after Jesus' birth.

"the Lordsaid to me: this gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut."

do Catholics or does the Church hold this position?
 

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Yes, kim. It was one of the texts used when the pv was dogmatically stated in the early years.
 
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Although it was recognized by an early Greek synod, it wasn't until 392 that Pope Siricius (Vs Bonosos) addressed it formally.
The Fifth General Council (553) finally put the matter to rest.

Mary's virginity (antem partum, in partu, post partum) is de fide.
"In partu" is not part of any Magisterial formula but is de fide "on the basis of general promulgation of doctrine" (Ott).
 
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Good Day, Kimber1

Would you as to post the name of the book. It has allways been my undrestanding of the passage in Ezekiel you refer to Calvin took the same rendering as Augustine "I think" which is in direct opposition to the one you take from this book.

Thank You,

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Godzman said:
Do all catholics beleive in the perpetual virginity of Mary?
Yes, and we are bound to this belief.
Because I have heard some say they wouldn't have a problem with her having other children by Joseph.
I have heard some Protestants say that. If a Catholic says that, though, they need to be educated.

Michelle
 
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Godzman said:
Do all catholics beleive in the perpetual virginity of Mary?

Because I have heard some say they wouldn't have a problem with her having other children by Joseph.

It is absolutely binding on the conscious. If they are Catholic, they really don’t know what they are talking about.
 
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Miss Shelby said:
Yes, and we are bound to this belief.
I have heard some Protestants say that. If a Catholic says that, though, they need to be educated.

Michelle

I was wondering, and don't qoute me but I heard Sean Hannity, who by the way is catholic, say that he wouldn't see the problem with Jesus having brothers and sisters. I am assuming he meant children of Mary but I could be wrong.
 
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Godzman said:
I was wondering, and don't qoute me but I heard Sean Hannity, who by the way is catholic, say that he wouldn't see the problem with Jesus having brothers and sisters.
If Sean Hannity said that, then his mama needs to call him on the phone and give him a good tongue lashing. Because if I was his mama and did my best to raise him Catholic and he said that on tv, I would seriously upset. I am assuming that he IS Catholic, or you wouldn't be saying this.

On the other hand, I have heard Protestants who say they have no problem believing Mary remained ever-Virgin.

Michelle
 
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he mentioned it on his radio show.

I like sean and Bill O'Reilly to, although I am not catholic, I was curious about what Catholics think of both these guys from Fox News.
 
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Godzman said:
Do all catholics beleive in the perpetual virginity of Mary?

Because I have heard some say they wouldn't have a problem with her having other children by Joseph.

All Catholics should believe in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a3p2.htm

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 And so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus.157 The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, "brothers of Jesus", are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls "the other Mary".158 They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression.159

154 Cf. DS 291; 294; 427; 442; 503; 571; 1880.
155 LG 57.
156 Cf. LG 52.
157 Cf. Mk 3:31-35; 6:3; 1 Cor 9:5; Gal 1:19.
158 Mt 13:55; 28:1; cf. Mt 27:56.
159 Cf. Gen 13:8; 14:16; 29:15; etc.​

And the Church Fathers did believe:

http://catholic.com/library/Mary_Ever_Virgin.asp
 
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Godzman said:
Do all catholics beleive in the perpetual virginity of Mary?
Yes, Man of God. It is dogma.

Godzman said:
Because I have heard some say they wouldn't have a problem with her having other children by Joseph.
That would be because they are poorly informed.



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This wouldn't have to be explained to a Jew.

Adelphos in the SS does not mean 'brother'. It means kinsman or close relative, otherwise Laban and Jacob were brothers, not in-laws. There are many examples. In some places, it can mean brother, as the choice of the translator depending on context.

In secular Greek, it does usually mean simply brother, but the SS are translating what the folks in Nazareth are saying and they are probably not speaking Gk.
 
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From a NON CATHOLIC site:

 
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