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[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] A problem at the bottom of reason

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paulm50

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I've read the Bible from cover to cover. It is beautiful...as long as I cherry pick its meaning. When I keep it in mind as a complete work, it has some very ugly parts and aspects.

That is where you go wrong. Thinking is your only source of self-correction. People who don't think are locked in whatever subconsciously calculated views they may have picked up over the years.

And Cult 101 teaches that one must get the followers to doubt their thoughts, otherwise the doctrine may be doubted. It's a way of locking people in place.

eudaimonia,

Mark
Agree 101%

Those who don't question are sheep and we were not made to be sheep.
 
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Were the OT and NT written before or after the Tower of Babel?

It was purposely riddled to make it easy, to decide what was wheat and chaff. Which is why today we don't do what Yishai Schlissel, did yesterday as he followed god's law. While Israel arrested him, it continues to kick Palestinians out of their home land, claiming god gave it to them.

The problem is the cherry picking and interpreting people do today and claim they're real Christians. Jesus was adamant, he hadn't come to do away with the old laws. Yet people have found convenient bits to do away with them and Yishai Schlissel was arrested for trying to stick to those old laws. And before you claim the New Covenant. When did Jesus say that included going back on his previous statement of keeping the old laws?

When I figure that out, I might get on the right path through the jungle of misinterpretations.
No, that is not what I meant.

It doesn't actually matter whether our language was confused before or after the Tower of Babel. The point is that, after the point of confusion of our language, certain of us would read the scriptures and see them in one way, and others would see it another, and still others would think it nonsense. It is not that some of the scriptures are wheat and some chaff...sorry, I should have been more clear. But rather...that we who read the scriptures different but receive (believe) it, are the wheat that God has planted for the harvest, and others are the chaff, and some the tares. By design, the wheat are given spiritual insight (discernment). But even that does not mean that the wheat are all correct in their interpretation...but only insomuch as they interpret in such a way that serves God's salvation plan...which is more complex than any enterprise of man.

In a nutshell, the old Testament served to carry God's mission for mankind up to the apex of his plan, until Christ. Those who heard his inspired words and received them in spirit, received a hope of the coming of Christ. By their hope and their spiritual connection, they spread the word of his eventual coming. They were his witnesses, before his coming. Likewise, during the new Testament era, with and after his coming, those who heard the good news of him and received it in their spirit (which God has gifted only to his chosen) became witnesses to the fact that he had come, that others could hear even after the fact and have the same hope (of salvation, of deliverance from the bondage of human life). Before and After. In the scriptures, these are those who are referred to as "the two witnesses."

The point is, the plan of God is to save his chosen by spiritual means, rather than human means of the flesh, including all of man's natural abilities, intellect, etc.. This has created two paths that all who are born into the human race will follow. The one path is natural, and like the animals, they do not receive the spiritual gift from God to know him, to receive him, or take him at his word. The other path, is made up of the chosen, who receive just what suits God's plan in just the right timing to carry the plan forward until completion. The plan...is finished ("It is finished."). All that remains is the sand of the hourglass to run out. When the clock started (since the beginning of time), by this spiritual process of receiving from God, people have been born into the kingdom of God...which is not of this world. The sands of time ran one way only including Israel, then when the Christ came, he closed the one era and that time of gathering Israel to himself, and turned over the hourglass to run the other way until it runs out...or rather, until "the fullness of the time of the gentiles."...until each of the gentiles (people other than Israel) who receive the spiritual gift to believe what they read, what they hear, that they too might be born into the kingdom of God also. Then the end shall come. As it is written, the [natural] world is passing away.
 
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I've read the Bible from cover to cover. It is beautiful...as long as I cherry pick its meaning. When I keep it in mind as a complete work, it has some very ugly parts and aspects.




That is where you go wrong. Thinking is your only source of self-correction. People who don't think are locked in whatever subconsciously calculated views they may have picked up over the years.

And Cult 101 teaches that one must get the followers to doubt their thoughts, otherwise the doctrine may be doubted. It's a way of locking people in place.


eudaimonia,

Mark
Please read my comment #983 for an explanation.
 
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Spiritual people rarely read scripture, only the religious studiers are.
I scan it rarely., been years.
your questions will remain questions until you seek yourself.
and even if you seek you are nor ready for the meat.
you have to be hungry and you are not.
you are just looking to find fault.
good luck

You really are making little sense.

Whenever a human reads anything, there is personal interpretation involved and there is no way around that.

How would you know what I am ready for or not ready for?

And when you say hungry, that is a good point. Some people are hungry (have a psychological need) to believe certain things, other people are hungry (have a psychological need) to best understand what is most likely true.

Of the two examples above, they tend to go about satisfying their hunger, in different ways.
 
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You really are making little sense.

Whenever a human reads anything, there is personal interpretation involved and there is no way around that.

How would you know what I am ready for or not ready for?

I know without a shadow of any doubt whatsoever.
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And when you say hungry, that is a good point. Some people are hungry (have a psychological need) to believe certain things, other people are hungry (have a psychological need) to best understand what is most likely true.

Of the two examples above, they tend to go about satisfying their hunger, in different ways.
 
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I used to have a magic 8 ball too.

It really comes down to common sense after reading your posts, it is easy to see.
Same with this path, it is all common sense. Why do you make it so hard?
God speaks to us of anger, resentment, etc. because our natures have been corrupted by people places and things and God is trying to renew our minds in order to help us grow , to make us emotionally and physically balanced no ups and downs.
The mind can keep us well and God does that for us.
You are a nice person but I wish you understood.
There are many benefits in renewing our minds from within.
insights, revelations even miracles.
No religion needed, that is a trap.
 
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It really comes down to common sense after reading your posts, it is easy to see.
Same with this path, it is all common sense. Why do you make it so hard?
God speaks to us of anger, resentment, etc. because our natures have been corrupted by people places and things and God is trying to renew our minds in order to help us grow , to make us emotionally and physically balanced no ups and downs.
The mind can keep us well and God does that for us.
You are a nice person but I wish you understood.
There are many benefits in renewing our minds from within.
insights, revelations even miracles.
No religion needed, that is a trap.

Common sense?

Thanks for the tip.
 
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And when you say hungry, that is a good point. Some people are hungry (have a psychological need) to believe certain things, other people are hungry (have a psychological need) to best understand what is most likely true.

This is also a good point and I'll expand on it. Some have a psychological need to self affirm their own beliefs even if their own beliefs do not represent truth. This false self affirmation is exactly what keeps a person from realizing the actual truth.

I make it my personal goal to seek out truth, wherever truth can be found. I never want to fall into the delusion of false self affirmation, meaning I put my own beliefs above what is actually true. Truth wins, what I use to think/believe about truth loses.

The only way to get to absolute truth, is to ask honest questions both outwardly and inwardly and always be ready to admit when you're wrong, otherwise its all to easy to fall into the delusion of false self affirmation.
 
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This is also a good point and I'll expand on it. Some have a psychological need to self affirm their own beliefs even if their own beliefs do not represent truth. This false self affirmation is exactly what keeps a person from realizing the actual truth.

I make it my personal goal to seek out truth, wherever truth can be found. I never want to fall into the delusion of false self affirmation, meaning I put my own beliefs above what is actually true. Truth wins, what I use to think/believe about truth loses.

The only way to get to absolute truth, is to ask honest questions both outwardly and inwardly and always be ready to admit when you're wrong, otherwise its all to easy to fall into the delusion of false self affirmation.

How do you check yourself, to help insure, you are staying away from confirmation bias and are being objective?
 
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