[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] A problem at the bottom of reason

[KCfromNC]

And that's pretty far from happening. That's like offering me insurance and only telling me the benefits and pricing only after I agree to sign on.

Your understanding is like that of a child. You have to trust the insurance / used car salesman when he says that he knows far more about this than you. Now hand over your money.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

The means I myself came across the bigger picture of life (than that of this physical world) has been illustrated for tens of thousands of years. It is not more illustrations that you need...but a willingness to receive the witness of millions. Granted, there are now also millions of counterfeit witnesses. That means you will have to be careful, but time is awaisting, and only gets worse as time goes on. The trail is getting cold. Better hurry.
How about shepherd's terms, or fisherman's terms, or carpenter's terms, or tent maker's terms?
When you step out of this physical world...I will indeed show you. Meanwhile, you will need to be more cooperative.
I have seen beyond the horizon of this world, and been gifted with knowledge that exceeds that of physical human understanding. But I am NOT unique...this is true of everyone who has been born again of the spirit of God.

I've never read a longer question dodge in my life.

 

[ScottA]

As someone who has experience as a teacher, I can tell you that you are absolutely and completely wrong in your approach. I already tried to teach and demonstrate that to you... and you simply ignored it as irrelevant.

So now here I am, having something to tell and teach you. And you don't listen. You rant about your "knowledge"... and how you cannot tell, teach or demonstrate anything of it (which is our fault, of course.)

Are you a smart alec?

I too am a teacher, but the example was telling/teaching children, who legitimately do not know and need to be told/taught. In this case, I have the upper hand, I am the expert in this field. You...you, are on a Christian Forum to cause trouble. And just as a rebellious child comes back with a "know-it-all" attitude, your position is obvious: in this area...you are a child. It is not condescending to approach legitimate learning in this way...it's okay to be a child, and children who want to learn, listen. I have listened to your childish rebellion...but you have not listened to my parental offering. Perhaps you should quit school and run away from home.

 

[bhsmte]

I too am a teacher, but the example was telling/teaching children, who legitimately do not know and need to be told/taught. In this case, I have the upper hand, I am the expert in this field. You...you, are on a Christian Forum to cause trouble. And just as a rebellious child comes back with a "know-it-all" attitude, your position is obvious: in this area...you are a child. It is not condescending to approach legitimate learning in this way...it's okay to be a child, and children who want to learn, listen. I have listened to your childish rebellion...but you have not listened to my parental offering. Perhaps you should quit school and run away from home.

Hilarious!!

 

[ScottA]

That's just one of several options. How is it any more likely than the simpler conclusion that you're just making things up?

Many...most, advancements to new horizons have historically been met with accusations of insanity. The odds are not in favor of your argument. In spite of opposition, at some point, the future leaves the naysayers behind to grumble. You don't have to believe anything you don't have the adventure to pursue. Your choice.

 

[ScottA]

I've never read a longer question dodge in my life.

That is not unlikely...seeing that you have lived your whole life and see the history of the world (his story) the same way.

 

[bhsmte]

Many...most, advancements to new horizons have historically been met with accusations of insanity. The odds are not in favor of your argument. In spite of opposition, at some point, the future leaves the naysayers behind to grumble. You don't have to believe anything you don't have the adventure to pursue. Your choice.

How do you calculate these odds?

 

[ScottA]

How do you calculate these odds?

If you would like to do the numbers from history, go for it. I believe history to be self-evident and the conclusion obvious.

 

[bhsmte]

If you would like to do the numbers from history, go for it. I believe history to be self-evident and the conclusion obvious.

I didn't bring up odds, you did. How do you calculate these odds?

 

[Davian]

I gave the example of you yourself telling or teaching children something, to demonstrate that just because you knew more than them, is no reason to consider you condescending to them

In the common vernacular, "condescending" is how you do it (or shouldn't do it), not that you do it.

...as you continue to do to me,

Trying to play the victim card now?

even though I have something to tell and teach you.

So you continue to assert.

A child who reacts the way you are doing is known as a smart alec.

Only if you define "smart alec" as "does not believe every wild story trotted out in front of them".

If you don't believe me - stop following me - you are not my child anyway!

Follow you? I've been in these forums for some time, thank you.

 

[Davian]

I too am a teacher, but the example was telling/teaching children, who legitimately do not know and need to be told/taught. In this case, I have the upper hand,

That has not been evidenced in your posts.

I am the expert in this field.

So you assert.

You...you, are on a Christian Forum

Actually, we are in a Philosophy Forum with a Statement of Purpose that states that the CF Philosophy forum is not intended for general apologetics of Christianity, i.e., the defense of the Christian faith against arguments, objections or attacks from non-Christians. Nor is this forum intended as a means for Christian evangelism (persuasion) of unbelievers.

to cause trouble.

Were you expecting that this forum was to act as your echo chamber?

And just as a rebellious child comes back with a "know-it-all" attitude, your position is obvious: in this area...you are a child.

No veil on that insult.

It is not condescending to approach legitimate learning in this way

If so, you should at first establish that it is actually "legitimate".

...it's okay to be a child, and children who want to learn, listen. I have listened to your childish rebellion...but you have not listened to my parental offering.

...your unevidenced assertions.

Perhaps you should quit school and run away from home.

Can you not pretend that you are in a philosophy forum?

 

[Davian]

I didn't bring up odds, you did. How do you calculate these odds?

I too would like to see these numbers.

I won't hold my breath.

Popcorn anyone?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

That is not unlikely...seeing that you have lived your whole life and see the history of the world (his story) the same way.

I'm genuinely not sure what you meant by this.

 

[Freodin]

I too am a teacher, but the example was telling/teaching children, who legitimately do not know and need to be told/taught.

I do not know what kind of "teacher" you are... but I can tell you: you are doing it wrong.

In this case, I have the upper hand, I am the expert in this field.

See, this is not the way to teach anyone: child or adult. You cannot just assert your expertise and your authority and demand that everyone accepts what you say.
Teaching is getting a student to understand... and a good teacher knows how to get even a "child" to understand.

You...you, are on a Christian Forum to cause trouble. And just as a rebellious child comes back with a "know-it-all" attitude, your position is obvious: in this area...you are a child. It is not condescending to approach legitimate learning in this way...it's okay to be a child, and children who want to learn, listen.

I have listened to your childish rebellion...but you have not listened to my parental offering. Perhaps you should quit school and run away from home.

So here I am, trying to teach you something. And here you are, literally showing a "know-it-all" attitude. Not listening. Rebelling against my authority and expertise.

What does that make you?

 

[ScottA]

Actually, we are in a Philosophy Forum with a Statement of Purpose that states that the CF Philosophy forum is not intended for general apologetics of Christianity, i.e., the defense of the Christian faith against arguments, objections or attacks from non-Christians. Nor is this forum intended as a means for Christian evangelism (persuasion) of unbelievers.

This is a good example of your inability to perceive the greater reality. Here you completely ignore that we are FIRST and foremost, on a Christian Forum (which is what I said), and you claim the smaller reality as the only reality.

See how you are?

 

[ScottA]

I do not know what kind of "teacher" you are... but I can tell you: you are doing it wrong.

The Head Master disagrees.

See, this is not the way to teach anyone: child or adult. You cannot just assert your expertise and your authority and demand that everyone accepts what you say.
Teaching is getting a student to understand... and a good teacher knows how to get even a "child" to understand.

Oh, I see, you think I am attempting to teach...now. No, sorry, I'm not. The type of teaching you are referring to has been done for millennia ("It is finished."), and still some do not learn. My part in this is not to go back and teach in that way, but to share the information with intellectuals. Was I wrong to do so?

So here I am, trying to teach you something. And here you are, literally showing a "know-it-all" attitude. Not listening. Rebelling against my authority and expertise.

What does that make you?

Unfortunately, you are not privy to the lesson plan...or you would be on the same page. And, so, I guess that makes me "in accordance" with greater curriculum, but not with you limited knowledge of it.

But, hey, I am not interested in the one-up-man-ship of all this either...and we are getting nowhere with two teachers. I have been sitting in on your class and I get what the natural world is all about, in fact, I graduated. But you are obviously an undergrad in my department. Did you want to sit in, ask any questions, or learn something? Or did you just want to take over the class, and tell me a thing or two, even though you are not qualified?

 

[madera23]

I've never read a longer question dodge in my life.[/QUOTE

The Head Master disagrees.
Oh, I see, you think I am attempting to teach...now. No, sorry, I'm not. The type of teaching you are referring to has been done for millennia ("It is finished."), and still some do not learn. My part in this is not to go back and teach in that way, but to share the information with intellectuals. Was I wrong to do so?
Unfortunately, you are not privy to the lesson plan...or you would be on the same page. And, so, I guess that makes me "in accordance" with greater curriculum, but not with you limited knowledge of it.

But, hey, I am not interested in the one-up-man-ship of all this either...and we are getting nowhere with two teachers. I have been sitting in on your class and I get wh
at the natural world is all about, in fact, I graduated. But you are obviously an undergrad in my department. Did you want to sit in, ask any questions, or learn something? Or did you just want to take over the class, and tell me a thing or two, even though you are not qualified?

Scott can you share who is qualified to graduate?
I am wondering why can't you share one of your secrets that says you graduated?
Curious
Madera
Do we ever graduate?

 

[dlamberth]

I get what the natural world is all about, in fact, I graduated.

Because I missed so much of the discussion, and I've seen you refer to it elsewhere, when you say "natural world", what are you thinking of?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I too am a teacher, but the example was telling/teaching children, who legitimately do not know and need to be told/taught. In this case, I have the upper hand, I am the expert in this field. You...you, are on a Christian Forum to cause trouble. And just as a rebellious child comes back with a "know-it-all" attitude, your position is obvious: in this area...you are a child. It is not condescending to approach legitimate learning in this way...it's okay to be a child, and children who want to learn, listen. I have listened to your childish rebellion...but you have not listened to my parental offering. Perhaps you should quit school and run away from home.

The Head Master disagrees.
Oh, I see, you think I am attempting to teach...now. No, sorry, I'm not. The type of teaching you are referring to has been done for millennia ("It is finished."), and still some do not learn. My part in this is not to go back and teach in that way, but to share the information with intellectuals. Was I wrong to do so?
Unfortunately, you are not privy to the lesson plan...or you would be on the same page. And, so, I guess that makes me "in accordance" with greater curriculum, but not with you limited knowledge of it.

But, hey, I am not interested in the one-up-man-ship of all this either...and we are getting nowhere with two teachers. I have been sitting in on your class and I get what the natural world is all about, in fact, I graduated. But you are obviously an undergrad in my department. Did you want to sit in, ask any questions, or learn something? Or did you just want to take over the class, and tell me a thing or two, even though you are not qualified?

Experts should be able to demonstrate their expertise. You haven't demonstrated any more expertise than the various other so-called "experts" who disagree with you on points of doctrine. You are less like an instructive parent, and more like the emperor with no clothes.

 

[Davian]

This is a good example of your inability to perceive the greater reality.

I do not accept your religious opinion as the "greater reality".

Here you completely ignore that we are FIRST and foremost, on a Christian Forum (which is what I said), and you claim the smaller reality as the only reality.

Is that in some manner meant to except you from the site rules?

See how you are?

I cannot see what you project upon me.