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Pentecostal churches strictly pre-trib?

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(I posted this on the Pentecostal forum but must have missed the obituaries for it on my absence from here)

I was at a bible study today and happened to mention that I believed in the mid-tribulation theory of rapture. The pastor was not impressed (probably because it was a study on revelations and he teaches pre-trib) but said that everyone there was Pentecost and believed the way he was teaching and I was outside of the Pentecostal teachings. What is your opinion on this because I have never attended anything but Pentecostal churches and never have I heard that pre-trib belief was prerequisite to affiliation.....I appreciate any comments....thanks in advance
 

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You probably need a Pentecostal Christian to answer that, but the sources I just consulted say that it's standard Pentecostal belief, and also that the several largest church bodies (in the USA) are pre-trib. So maybe he was right--aside from some splinter group(s) here or there. No matter what the denomination, you know that there's almost always some exception to the rule.

(I posted this on the Pentecostal forum but must have missed the obituaries for it on my absence from here)

I was at a bible study today and happened to mention that I believed in the mid-tribulation theory of rapture. The pastor was not impressed (probably because it was a study on revelations and he teaches pre-trib) but said that everyone there was Pentecost and believed the way he was teaching and I was outside of the Pentecostal teachings. What is your opinion on this because I have never attended anything but Pentecostal churches and never have I heard that pre-trib belief was prerequisite to affiliation.....I appreciate any comments....thanks in advance
 
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(I posted this on the Pentecostal forum but must have missed the obituaries for it on my absence from here)
Most of the Pentecostals on here post in the Spirit filled/Charismatic forum rather than the other one. You'll get fast responses on there.
 
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It is my belief that the churches are seven...

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 1:20

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;- Revelation 2:1

Seven angels - Seven messengers all in the right hand of the Lord Jesus Christ. This includes the whole church. We are all in the right hand of the Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
Seven Churches - Seven candlesticks in which the Lord walks in the midst of.


1. Ephesus – Apostolic – Leaving the first love… “All they which are in Asia be turned away…” – II Timothy 1:15
2. Smyrna – Martyrs – Persecutions ten days… Foxes Book of Martyrs describes ten Roman persecutions.
3. Pergamos – Orthodox – A pyrgos is a fortified structure – Needed for the dark ages.
4. Thyatira – Catholic – The Spirit of Jezebel is to persecute, control, and to dominate. Can invade any church!
5. Sardis – Protestant – A sardius is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid. Doctrine in the head, little in the heart.
6. Philadelphia – Methodist – To obtain sanctification was to do so with love.
7. Laodicea – Charismatic – Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?

There is a huge difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic. The Wesley Pentecostal holds to the Wesleyan Methods...

1. Salvation - Believing on Jesus
2. Sanctification - With a sweet spirit
3. Holy Spirit - With tongues

The old school Pentecostals would tell folk to seek sanctification and the baptism in the Holy Ghost would not be that far away. The Sardisean claims that all is obtained at salvation, the Methodist believe that it comes with sanctification, and the charismatic with the Holy Spirit. The Methodist obtained that blessing in the mourners bench... As told by George Clark Rankin...

"Grandfather was kind to me and considerate of me, yet he was strict with me. I worked along with him in the field when the weather was agreeable and when it was inclement I helped him in his hatter's shop, for the Civil War was in progress and he had returned at odd times to hatmaking. It was my business in the shop to stretch foxskins and coonskins across a wood-horse and with a knife, made for that purpose, pluck the hair from the fur. I despise the odor of foxskins and coonskins to this good day. He had me to walk two miles every Sunday to Dandridge to Church service and Sunday-school, rain or shine, wet or dry, cold or hot; yet he had fat horses standing in his stable. But he was such a blue-stocking Presbyterian that he never allowed a bridle to go on a horse's head on Sunday. The beasts had to have a day of rest. Old Doctor Minnis was the pastor, and he was the dryest and most interminable preacher I ever heard in my life. He would stand motionless and read his sermons from manuscript for one hour and a half at a time and sometimes longer. Grandfather would sit and never take his eyes off of him, except to glance at me to keep me quiet. It was torture to me." - George Clark Rankin

Then he got it good in the Methodist church in Georgia...

...Quote...

After the team had been fed and we had been to supper we put the mules to the wagon, filled it with chairs and we were off to the meeting. When we reached the locality it was about dark and the people were assembling. Their horses and wagons filled up the cleared spaces and the singing was already in progress. My uncle and his family went well up toward the front, but I dropped into a seat well to the rear. It was an old-fashioned Church, ancient in appearance, oblong in shape and unpretentious. It was situated in a grove about one hundred yards from the road. It was lighted with old tallow-dip candles furnished by the neighbors. It was not a prepossessing-looking place, but it was soon crowded and evidently there was a great deal of interest. A cadaverous-looking man stood up in front with a tuning fork and raised and led the songs. There were a few prayers and the minister came in with his saddlebags and entered the pulpit. He was the Rev. W. H. Heath, the circuit rider. His prayer impressed me with his earnestness and there were many amens to it in the audience. I do not remember his text, but it was a typical revival sermon, full of unction and power.

At its close he invited penitents to the altar and a great many young people flocked to it and bowed for prayer. Many of them became very much affected and they cried out distressingly for mercy. It had a strange effect on me. It made me nervous and I wanted to retire. Directly my uncle came back to me, put his arm around my shoulder and asked me if I did not want to be religious. I told him that I had always had that desire, that mother had brought me up that way, and really I did not know anything else. Then he wanted to know if I had ever professed religion. I hardly understood what he meant and did not answer him. He changed his question and asked me if I had ever been to the altar for prayer, and I answered him in the negative. Then he earnestly besought me to let him take me up to the altar and join the others in being prayed for. It really embarrassed me and I hardly knew what to say to him. He spoke to me of my mother and said that when she was a little girl she went to the altar and that Christ accepted her and she had been a good Christian all these years. That touched me in a tender spot, for mother always did do what was right; and then I was far away from her and wanted to see her. Oh, if she were there to tell me what to do!

By and by I yielded to his entreaty and he led forward to the altar. The minister took me by the hand and spoke tenderly to me as I knelt at the altar. I had gone more out of sympathy than conviction, and I did not know what to do after I bowed there. The others were praying aloud and now and then one would rise shoutingly happy and make the old building ring with his glad praise. It was a novel experience to me. I did not know what to pray for, neither did I know what to expect if I did pray. I spent the most of the hour wondering why I was there and what it all meant. No one explained anything to me. Once in awhile some good old brother or sister would pass my way, strike me on the back and tell me to look up and believe and the blessing would come. But that was not encouraging to me. In fact, it sounded like nonsense and the noise was distracting me. Even in my crude way of thinking I had an idea that religion was a sensible thing and that people ought to become religious intelligently and without all that hurrah. I presume that my ideas were the result of the Presbyterian training given to me by old grandfather. By and by my knees grew tired and the skin was nearly rubbed off my elbows. I thought the service never would close, and when it did conclude with the benediction I heaved a sigh of relief. That was my first experience at the mourner's bench.

As we drove home I did not have much to say, but I listened attentively to the conversation between my uncle and his wife. They were greatly impressed with the meeting, and they spoke first of this one and that one who had "come through" and what a change it would make in the community, as many of them were bad boys. As we were putting up the team my uncle spoke very encouragingly to me; he was delighted with the step I had taken and he pleaded with me not to turn back, but to press on until I found the pearl of great price. He knew my mother would be very happy over the start I had made. Before going to sleep I fell into a train of thought, though I was tired and exhausted. I wondered why I had gone to that altar and what I had gained by it. I felt no special conviction and had received no special impression, but then if my mother had started that way there must be something in it, for she always did what was right. I silently lifted my heart to God in prayer for conviction and guidance. I knew how to pray, for I had come up through prayer, but not the mourner's bench sort. So I determined to continue to attend the meeting and keep on going to the altar until I got religion.

Early the next morning I was up and in a serious frame of mind. I went with the other hands to the cottonfield and at noon I slipped off in the barn and prayed. But the more I thought of the way those young people were moved in the meeting and with what glad hearts they had shouted their praises to God the more it puzzled and confused me. I could not feel the conviction that they had and my heart did not feel melted and tender. I was callous and unmoved in feeling and my distress on account of sin was nothing like theirs. I did not understand my own state of mind and heart. It troubled me, for by this time I really wanted to have an experience like theirs.

When evening came I was ready for Church service and was glad to go. It required no urging. Another large crowd was present and the preacher was as earnest as ever. I did not give much heed to the sermon. In fact, I do not recall a word of it. I was anxious for him to conclude and give me a chance to go to the altar. I had gotten it into my head that there was some real virtue in the mourner's bench; and when the time came I was one of the first to prostrate myself before the altar in prayer. Many others did likewise. Two or three good people at intervals knelt by me and spoke encouragingly to me, but they did not help me. Their talks were mere exhortations to earnestness and faith, but there was no explanation of faith, neither was there any light thrown upon my mind and heart. I wrought myself up into tears and cries for help, but the whole situation was dark and I hardly knew why I cried, or what was the trouble with me. Now and then others would arise from the altar in an ecstasy of joy, but there was no joy for me. When the service closed I was discouraged and felt that maybe I was too hardhearted and the good Spirit could do nothing for me.

After we went home I tossed on the bed before going to sleep and wondered why God did not do for me what he had done for mother and what he was doing in that meeting for those young people at the altar. I could not understand it. But I resolved to keep on trying, and so dropped off to sleep. The next day I had about the same experience and at night saw no change in my condition. And so for several nights I repeated the same distressing experience. The meeting took on such interest that a day service was adopted along with the night exercises, and we attended that also. And one morning while I bowed at the altar in a very disturbed state of mind Brother Tyson, a good local preacher and the father of Rev. J. F. Tyson, now of the Central Conference, sat down by me and, putting his hand on my shoulder, said to me: "Now I want you to sit up awhile and let's talk this matter over quietly. I am sure that you are in earnest, for you have been coming to this altar night after night for several days. I want to ask you a few simple questions." And the following questions were asked and answered:

"My son, do you not love God?"

"I cannot remember when I did not love him."

"Do you believe on his Son, Jesus Christ?"

"I have always believed on Christ. My mother taught me that from my earliest recollection."

"Do you accept him as your Savior?"

"I certainly do, and have always done so."

"Can you think of any sin that is between you and the Savior?"

"No, sir; for I have never committed any bad sins."

"Do you love everybody?"

"Well, I love nearly everybody, but I have no ill-will toward any one. An old man did me a wrong not long ago and I acted ugly toward him, but I do not care to injure him."

"Can you forgive him?"

"Yes, if he wanted me to."

"But, down in your heart, can you wish him well?"

"Yes, sir; I can do that."

"Well, now let me say to you that if you love God, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior from sin and if you love your fellowmen and intend by God's help to lead a religious life, that's all there is to religion. In fact, that is all I know about it."

Then he repeated several passages of Scriptures to me proving his assertions. I thought a moment and said to him: "But I do not feel like these young people who have been getting religion night after night. I cannot get happy like them. I do not feel like shouting."

The good man looked at me and smiled and said: "Ah, that's your trouble. You have been trying to feel like them. Now you are not them; you are yourself. You have your own quiet disposition and you are not turned like them. They are excitable and blustery like they are. They give way to their feelings. That's all right, but feeling is not religion. Religion is faith and life. If you have violent feeling with it, all good and well, but if you have faith and not much feeling, why the feeling will take care of itself. To love God and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, turning away from all sin, and living a godly life, is the substance of true religion."

That was new to me, yet it had been my state of mind from childhood. For I remembered that away back in my early life, when the old preacher held services in my grandmother's house one day and opened the door of the Church, I went forward and gave him my hand. He was to receive me into full membership at the end of six months' probation, but he let it pass out of his mind and failed to attend to it.

As I sat there that morning listening to the earnest exhortation of the good man my tears ceased, my distress left me, light broke in upon my mind, my heart grew joyous, and before I knew just what I was doing I was going all around shaking hands with everybody, and my confusion and darkness disappeared and a great burden rolled off my spirit. I felt exactly like I did when I was a little boy around my mother's knee when she told of Jesus and God and Heaven. It made my heart thrill then, and the same old experience returned to me in that old country Church that beautiful September morning down in old North Georgia.

I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life.

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Pentecostals 'get religion' in similar methods... So, after laying the foundation of what the Pentecostals are... They all have their unique view on the end time. I met some that do and some that don't. In my Pentecostal Holiness church 'rapture' is not mentioned but second coming is. I hold to the belief that there will be a pretrib rapture.
 
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... he teaches pre-trib) but said that everyone there was Pentecost and believed the way he was teaching and I was outside of the Pentecostal teachings. What is your opinion on this because I have never attended anything but Pentecostal churches and never have I heard that pre-trib belief was prerequisite to affiliation.....I appreciate any comments....thanks in advance

I would say he's pretty much right in a practical sense, but probably not in a formal sense.

I think most Pentecostals hold to Pre-Trib Rapture, and I think that *is* official in the AG. However, Gordon Fee (AG scholar that is often sort of a "black sheep" w.r.t. AG doctrines and practices) does not hold to Pre-Trib Rapture, and has rather an amillennial eschatology.
 
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I'm an ex-Pentecostal.

To put this in detail.

Many believes that they will still see "the beginning of the end" and may even see the antichrist come out in power, but they will skip the coming hardships of the tribulation.


It's one of the reasons I left the denomination.... ....I mean where's the fun out of that??? I'll just skip deee doooo deee doo the tribulation and continue my story book life in heaven.

I can smell flesh all over that belief.... ...And it's not in the Gospels. In fact the Gospels are quite clear - nearly all the elect will be wiped out... Are we any better than the elect?? We who live in the lap of luxury compared to those who literally died or have suffered tremendously for Christ?
 
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I'm an ex-Pentecostal.

1. Ephesus – Apostolic – Leaving the first love… “All they which are in Asia be turned away…” – II Timothy 1:15
2. Smyrna – Martyrs – Persecutions ten days… Foxes Book of Martyrs describes ten Roman persecutions.
3. Pergamos – Orthodox – A pyrgos is a fortified structure – Needed for the dark ages.
4. Thyatira – Catholic – The Spirit of Jezebel is to persecute, control, and to dominate. Can invade any church!
5. Sardis – Protestant – A sardius is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid. Doctrine in the head, little in the heart.
6. Philadelphia – Methodist – To obtain sanctification was to do so with love.
7. Laodicea – Charismatic – Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?

There are many ex-Pentecostals these days. IMHO we have drifted too far away from our Philadelphian / Wesley roots.
 
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I would say he's pretty much right in a practical sense, but probably not in a formal sense.

I think most Pentecostals hold to Pre-Trib Rapture, and I think that *is* official in the AG. However, Gordon Fee (AG scholar that is often sort of a "black sheep" w.r.t. AG doctrines and practices) does not hold to Pre-Trib Rapture, and has rather an amillennial eschatology.
Thanks for all the answers. It seems to me that once a certain CRITERIA or common beliefs are met then others are left to preference. It just got to me a bit that I was singled out that way as not belonging but my answer was that if the Holy Spirit is in me to quicken me then it makes no difference what side of the fence in tribulation beliefs I'm on.

Pentecostal - RationalWiki

Theological differences

A notable theological division among Pentecostals concerns the proper formula to recite during baptism. Most recite "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". The United Pentecostal Church, the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, and the followers of William Branham, believe baptism should only be done with the words "In the name of Jesus", and go so far as to insist that those who were baptized the other way have to be re-baptized or they are in danger of losing their salvation.

Other theological divisions exist: Pentecostals who have roots in the Holiness movement believe the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a third act of grace, after salvation and sanctification. Most other Pentecostals believe the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a second act of grace after salvation. There are also the usual divisions between those who believe in dispensationalism and those who do not, and those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture (i.e. the Christians will be raptured off the earth before a seven year tribulation period) and those who hold to other views on the timing of the rapture, such as post-tribulation (the rapture will happen after the seven year tribulation) and post-millenial (the rapture will happen after the church ushers in 1000 years of peace).
 
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i recall i used to visit some apostolic oneness pentecostals . they made the shift from maybe mid to ONLY Pre-Trib . but i don't understand why . Pre-Trib is hard to understand in terms of historic Christianity or the lives of the saints .
 
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1. Ephesus – Apostolic – Leaving the first love… “All they which are in Asia be turned away…” – II Timothy 1:15


Ohh booyy.... That's not what it said in 2 Timothy 1:15!:o


2 Timothy 1:15:
You know that everyone in the province of Asia has deserted me, including Phygelus and Hermogenes.


They only deserted Paul.... Could it be Paul the same guy as the false apostle mentioned in Revelations that was rejected by those in Ephesus??


Revelations 2:1-2

“To the angel[a] of the church in Ephesus write:

These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
 
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There are many ex-Pentecostals these days. IMHO we have drifted too far away from our Philadelphian / Wesley roots.



I guess, Pentecostal is the nicest thing around that is official when I was twelve....


....Then I found a way to God so I left Pentecostal....


There's a gigantic difference between looking right and being absolutely right!:cool:


You'll know when you finally found God... Big signs will follow those who truly believe....


...And I don't think I can comfortably share it here, nor ever. Miracles of healing, casting out of demons, making the dead come back to life, etc.. Those kind of miracles can be comfortably shared here, but the ones I have in addition are so big, it will probably drive some of you mad... Ironically, you'll actually read it in the Gospels, and the Revelations.

If you have really found the way, even the Earth could not remain still.. Keep it to yourself!;)

I could not tell what these signs and wonders that are following me, else you'll know where I am and my life will be in danger. It's not yet my time. And we should not be running after signs and wonders but God only.
 
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I was at a bible study today and happened to mention that I believed in the mid-tribulation theory of rapture. The pastor was not impressed (probably because it was a study on revelations and he teaches pre-trib) but said that everyone there was Pentecost and believed the way he was teaching and I was outside of the Pentecostal teachings. What is your opinion on this because I have never attended anything but Pentecostal churches and never have I heard that pre-trib belief was prerequisite to affiliation.....I appreciate any comments....thanks in advance

The Assemblies of God USA, the largest American Pentecostal denominational, is officially pre-tribulation pre-millennial dispensationalist (resolved in General Council Minutes 2009, Bylaws, Article IX, Part B, section 3, p. 127, and outlined in a position paper here).

The Worldwide Assemblies of God is officially pre-tribulation, but takes no official stand on dispensationalism or pre-/mid-/post-tribulation rapture so far as I can find. That might just be because their website is pretty amateur, though.
 
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I don't know of too many denominations or churches that formally put forward pre-tribulational, Dispensationalist Pre-Millennialism as official theology, i.e., as part of its Statement of Faith or similar. I couldn't even name any if asked.

I think it's generally something believed informally, to varying levels. I know growing up at my Foursquare church our pastor used to say things like, "There are a lot of different opinions on this, but here we generally believe...", that is, it wasn't official, formal dogma, but it was the working theology at ground level. If there was anyone in my church that wasn't a pre-trib Dispensationalist, I certainly didn't know who they were. And the couple times my pastor said that was, in fact, the first time I learned that there was another view beside pre-trib Dispensationalism.

Of course, once that cat was out of the bag, and I later proceeded to read, and learn more, I encountered a rather great big world of theology and history I didn't know existed.

And now I'm a Lutheran.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I don't know of too many denominations or churches that formally put forward pre-tribulational, Dispensationalist Pre-Millennialism as official theology, i.e., as part of its Statement of Faith or similar. I couldn't even name any if asked.

I think it's generally something believed informally, to varying levels. I know growing up at my Foursquare church our pastor used to say things like, "There are a lot of different opinions on this, but here we generally believe...", that is, it wasn't official, formal dogma, but it was the working theology at ground level. If there was anyone in my church that wasn't a pre-trib Dispensationalist, I certainly didn't know who they were. And the couple times my pastor said that was, in fact, the first time I learned that there was another view beside pre-trib Dispensationalism.

Of course, once that cat was out of the bag, and I later proceeded to read, and learn more, I encountered a rather great big world of theology and history I didn't know existed.

And now I'm a Lutheran.

-CryptoLutheran

Well let's just say he was generally teaching pointblank from an old Larkin book :I know shouldn't've tipped my cover: now I read and learn from Nee's books ( lots of great study there ) but lack a church to go to....dang denominalizationism :doh:
 
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I don't know of too many denominations or churches that formally put forward pre-tribulational, Dispensationalist Pre-Millennialism as official theology, i.e., as part of its Statement of Faith or similar. I couldn't even name any if asked.
...

One thing I appreciate about the AG (the US one, anyway) is that they spell things out pretty plainly. One may not agree with them, but one rarely has to guess about what they believe.

"13 WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the AG]

14 WE BELIEVE...in The Millennial Reign of Christ when Jesus returns with His saints at His second coming and begins His benevolent rule over earth for 1,000 years. This millennial reign will bring the salvation of national Israel and the establishment of universal peace."

Those are two of their 16 "Fundamental Truths."


Calvary Chapel is also pretty good about spelling things out:

"Rapture- We believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church through which all believers will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and be taken out of the world prior to the Tribulation that will then come upon the earth (Isaiah 26:20; Matthew 24:29-31; Luke 21:36; Romans 1:18, 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 4:13-16 and 5:9; 2 Peter 2:7-9; Revelation 3:10, 5:7-10 and 7:13-14).

Second Coming- We believe the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be a personal, visible return to earth. The Second Coming will coincide with the establishment of His millennial kingdom, the resurrection, final judgment, eternal blessing of the righteous, and eternal condemnation of the wicked (Matthew 16:27; Acts 1:11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:11-15)."


From their "Doctrine -- What we Believe" page.
 
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I would say he's pretty much right in a practical sense, but probably not in a formal sense.

I think most Pentecostals hold to Pre-Trib Rapture, and I think that *is* official in the AG. However, Gordon Fee (AG scholar that is often sort of a "black sheep" w.r.t. AG doctrines and practices) does not hold to Pre-Trib Rapture, and has rather an amillennial eschatology.
I was saved at home and baptized in the Holy Spirit and fellowshipped in an AOG when I was a new believer. Coming from a Fundamental Baptist persuasion as a youth [but the Pastor was baptized in the Spirit and did preach under a great anointing and did "speak in tongues" -not an accepted practice by Fundamental Baptists back then, I later found out after I was saved; but he was], and the FB background was very much pre-trib, which I studied as soon as Jesus saved me -among other things- and found it in the Word for myself, but the AOG pastor was not pre-trib, but oft said he as "pan-trib" -a joke.
None of their literature was pre-trib back then.
We left the AOG after some years because of things entering in that we were saddened by, and if they have officially stated a pre-trib belief, I have never heard of it, but we have been gone from that fellowship for 21 years.
 
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One thing I appreciate about the AG (the US one, anyway) is that they spell things out pretty plainly. One may not agree with them, but one rarely has to guess about what they believe.

"13 WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the AG]...
But they are not saying a pre-trib rapture in that, and it could be mid trib or post trib.
The years I fellowshipped in AOG, I never ever heard a pre-trib Bible study from them, but in our home we certainly brought our kids up on the Scriptures that teach it.
 
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But they are not saying a pre-trib rapture in that, and it could be mid trib or post trib.
The years I fellowshipped in AOG, I never ever heard a pre-trib Bible study from them, but in our home we certainly brought our kids up on the Scriptures that teach it.

Fair point.

I believe this PDF of their official "Position Paper" on the topic clarifies that they do indeed mean "Pre-Trib."
 
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I like what one person posted on the Pentecostal forum that it's basically all unproven hypothesis and when it's a proven truth will speculation really matter? It's not necessary knowledge to achieve salvation is it? So why would it be doctrinal to any denomination?
 
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