Peace

[Hammster]

Romans 12: 18

18. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.


Can a person live this Bible principal and still find actively fault with others?


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Yes. If that fault will lead them to hell, I should try to correct them. I am not, however, responsible for how they react (as much as it depends on me). I think God would be far more concerned that I correct your errors and present to you the truth than He would be if we could go out and talk baseball over coffee.

 

[Phantasman]

Yes. If that fault will lead them to hell, I should try to correct them. I am not, however, responsible for how they react (as much as it depends on me). I think God would be far more concerned that I correct your errors and present to you the truth than He would be if we could go out and talk baseball over coffee.

What if your wrong? Or is that not possible?

 

[Hammster]

What if your wrong? Or is that not possible?

That's really irrelevant since I don't think I'm wrong.

 

[Ran77]

No.

I dont see how one could live a peaceful life by constantly looking for fault in everyone. I dont think Jesus did that and I dont think we should.


1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.


James 5:9
Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

1 Corinthians 2:
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.




A couple lessons come to mind from the OT about this. One is when Shem and Japheth covered Noah while walking backwards with the sheet , and the other was when Jonah was boasting about Nineveh being destroyed. Both show that we are to not to humiliate others, even when they may be wrong, and are not to boast about Gods judgement, for such boasting is Gods alone.



Both of these agree with the way Jesus told us how to act and should be part of our character.

Good examples.

Thank you for your input.

 

[timewerx]

And then again, I rather think that I am not.
Ah, I love context. Here it is:

14. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

15. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

16. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


I find the last verse especially telling. "Overcome evil with good."


I plan to come back later and take a look at the verse you posted in context.

Sounds like you got it for the most part. I'm not sure why you're asking.


From those you mentioned, Paul is certainly not implying everyone will be at peace with us, but likely that persecution will be in abundance. And I mean real persecution.

 

[Phantasman]

That's really irrelevant since I don't think I'm wrong.

It is relevant. We seek truth, not "it's what I think". There is no harm with input. But just make sure the beam isn't in your eye.

 

[Hammster]

It is relevant. We seek truth, not "it's what I think". There is no harm with input. But just make sure the beam isn't in your eye.

Is what you're saying here the truth?

 

[Ran77]

It seems that the majority of the responses indicate that we cannot live peacefully with others while we are finding fault with them. I agree with that. Other than another response to the verses Timewerx posted it looks as if this discussion is done.

 

[Ran77]

Unbelievers will hate us for exposing that works of this world are evil even if they don't look evil in plainsight, not by tolerating worldly ways and most certainly not by participating in it:


John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

[/B]

Keeping in mind that the OP asked if we can live peacefully while actively finding fault with others, here is my look at John 15.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


These verses indicate that if we love God that we will bear fruit, abide in love, and love one another. I see nothing here about fault finding. Does this mean that you agree that we cannot live in peace while actively finding fault with others?

 

[IchoozJC]

It seems that the majority of the responses indicate that we cannot live peacefully with others while we are finding fault with them. I agree with that. Other than another response to the verses Timewerx posted it looks as if this discussion is done.

So Mormon missionaries are no longer gonna be going around telling everyone that every Protestant creed is an abomination to God? You do realize that the very foundation of Mormonism was the Mormon God finding fault with all else of christiandom, right? Or is it only OK for Mormonism to point out error?

 

[Phantasman]

Is what you're saying here the truth?

I say what I believe. I back up my belief with scriptures. Many don't accept the scriptures I follow. But that's my belief in spiritual truth appearing many places and mans unreliability to contain it.

I seek truth. I don't proclaim it.

 

[Norah63]

Heb.12--14-18 We can live peace as much as possible. For how can we strive to be at peace when
others refuse? Truth stirs up conscience and that makes for unrest in some.
Just be at peace with our Lord, walking in that peace is enough of a sermon most times.