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Pat Robertson said something stupid? In other news the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

-CryptoLutheran

Well, even if it's not "news" we ought to be concerned, as what he is saying is being accepted as a Christian viewpoint by both Christians and non-Christians.
 
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On Tuesday, June 14th Pat Robertson, a well known Christian Broadcaster (Chairman of The Christian Broadcasting Network, CBN) and former Southern Baptist Minister sat down on the 700 Club to discuss the recent Orlando shootings and what he sees as "the dilemma" the Left is facing.

The video below is a clip taken from his message, where he shared his thoughts about what is going on today with "the Left" and their "dilemma of major proportions" in regard to Islam and Homosexual rights and freedoms.


The solution he offers to this dilemma is reprehensible and far from Christ-like.

“The left is having a dilemma of major proportions and I think for those of us who disagree with some of their policies, the best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves.”

Unfortunately, many non-Christians have heard his message and are attributing his words to ALL Christians. Needless to say, this only adds to the view many already have that Christians are "hateful bigots" who judge and condemn everyone who doesn't believe as they do.

Although it seems he was speaking about letting the "Left" kill themselves, some seem to have twisted his words in a sense, by saying (as the title of the video above suggests) that he was saying Homosexuals and Islamists should "kill themselves", I suppose it should come as no surprise that such venomous and judgmental words will be interpreted this way. Hateful speech is hateful speech.

Regardless of whether he was speaking about, the "Left" or Homosexuals and Islamists, it is far from Christ-like to suggest that we should simply "sit on the sidelines" and let ANYONE kill themselves.

What if Jesus had thought the same about us?

I am deeply troubled by what is passing for "Christian" viewpoints in today's world. Christians need to speak up against such hateful speech. We do not need to be hateful when we disagree with someone else's lifestyle. And if some people condemn us in our Christian faith for disagreeing with their lifestyle, and if they choose to "persecute" us, we are to love them.

Jesus taught:

“You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven." (Matthew 5:43-45)

His command to "love our enemies" and to love our neighbours, hardly fits in with what Pat Robertson suggests we do when he says our best option is to "sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves."

"Jesus replied, ‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.'" (Matthew 22:37-40)

In my experience, Right Wing Watch is like other biased disinformation websites. They twist things in order to promote discord. A 56 second excerpt taken from a full opinion piece such as what Pat Robertson would have delivered is unable to deliver the full import of his thoughts.
It does nothing to report the truth. And as a commentary to assail the right wing philosophy it is just as guilty a means of smear as what is charged against Fundamentalism in Christianity or right wing politics.
 
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Pat Robertson proposing something reprehensible and far from Christlike? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Do not be. Remember he is only uses the 700 Club to get richer, $500,000,000.00 is never enough. He is the wealthiest "minister" in the WORLD!
 
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In my experience, Right Wing Watch is like other biased disinformation websites. They twist things in order to promote discord. A 56 second excerpt taken from a full opinion piece such as what Pat Robertson would have delivered is unable to deliver the full import of his thoughts.
It does nothing to report the truth. And as a commentary to assail the right wing philosophy it is just as guilty a means of smear as what is charged against Fundamentalism in Christianity or right wing politics.


Most all media (except genuine Christian media) has as its goal to make Christianity look stupid and ignorant, and bumbling idiots. They will face the Judgment, and we know the rest.
 
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Don't be shocked that people like Robertson say dumb things. If it bothers you, you need to actually delve into some of the critiques of the Religious Right out there, then you'ld understand why this sort of thing surprises so few of us that are more in the Protestant or Catholic mainline.
 
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Don't be shocked that people like Robertson say dumb things. If it bothers you, you need to actually delve into some of the critiques of the Religious Right out there, then you'ld understand why this sort of thing surprises so few of us that are more in the Protestant or Catholic mainline.

It does bother me, yes. The reason I wanted to share it and discuss it though is because I think it is important for Christians to speak up about things like this.
 
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I think it's just easier not to pay much attention to him. Robertson getting attention is what fuels his empire.

In some ways, and yet, we know the world pays attention to such things, and when this kind of statement is said by a prominent Christian, I think we need to at least speak up. Not to give him attention, but because we shouldn't stay silent when such terrible things are said about other people under the guise of Christianity. Words like this are why so many people believe that all Christians are simply judgmental and hateful, and many people therefore want little or nothing to do with Jesus.
 
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I'm not so sure it's so simple. There are a lot of reasons Christianity is losing influence. I would argue the theology that underpins Robertson's religion is deficient, and deficient theology is part of the reason nonbelievers scoff at Christianity, because theology drives practice.

Robertson is just projecting his own narrow, viscious mentality onto "leftists". He knows almost nothing about the LGBT movement. Gays aren't going to turn against Muslim civil rights en masse, not going to happen.
 
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Don't be shocked that people like Robertson say dumb things. If it bothers you, you need to actually delve into some of the critiques of the Religious Right out there, then you'ld understand why this sort of thing surprises so few of us that are more in the Protestant or Catholic mainline.


I am assuming you would be more on a liberal side?
 
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I'm not so sure it's so simple. There are a lot of reasons Christianity is losing influence. I would argue the theology that underpins Robertson's religion is deficient, and deficient theology is part of the reason nonbelievers scoff at Christianity, because theology drives practice.

Robertson is just projecting his own narrow, viscious mentality onto "leftists". He knows almost nothing about the LGBT movement. Gays aren't going to turn against Muslim civil rights en masse, not going to happen.


I dislike Robertson greatly. But I am very sure he understands LGBT people and their concerns. Many abhor the way Robertson twists Scripture to fit his way of drawing more people to join his 700 Club, where he gets even more wealthy. But, what he said this last time has some worthy points.

The LGBT group represents less than 4% or slightly less of the population. Yet we are now there is this stupid unreasonable demand to allow men who are not transgendered, not even taking the first steps with medical intervention to start their transgendering into a female, in the women's restroom and changing rooms. That is insane, and because of ignorant disrespect for women and their right to privacy to use the toilet, and changing room, without a fully gendered male in their presence. For thses reasons many totally see the LGBT movement as wrong and infringing upon non-LGBT people's rights.
 
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I'm not so sure it's so simple. There are a lot of reasons Christianity is losing influence. I would argue the theology that underpins Robertson's religion is deficient, and deficient theology is part of the reason nonbelievers scoff at Christianity, because theology drives practice.

Robertson is just projecting his own narrow, viscious mentality onto "leftists". He knows almost nothing about the LGBT movement. Gays aren't going to turn against Muslim civil rights en masse, not going to happen.

Understandable, but I never said the issue is "simple", of course it's very complicated.
 
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The better thing for individual believers to do is seek out churches and institutions that don't side with the Religious Right. "Speaking out" is one thing, but there is no substitute for putting words into action. There are a lot of reasonable churches with good theology that need support desperately. It's a sad thing that so many young evangelicals, fed up with this sort of narrow religion in the US, embrace the Emergent Church movement without looking into deeper issues of theology, like ecclesiology, and realize that often times mainline denominations have already dealt with similar issues in the past and have good and sensible responses well prepared. All we need is numbers. But I fear many want to hold onto their religious individualism way too much, even more than what is biblical.
 
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The solution he offers to this dilemma is reprehensible and far from Christ-like:

“The left is having a dilemma of major proportions and I think for those of us who disagree with some of their policies, the best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves.”

For context your point could have been better made had the video not ended here. When you listen to the totality of his comments Robertson's point becomes clear and this attack against him is revealed as just another attempt at deflection.

Liberal/progressives do face a dilemma, one they refuse to even acknowledge. One one hand they support LBGT "rights" in all form and fashion, even to the point of destroying the lives and lively-hoods of American business owners doing nothing more than attempting to exercise their First Amendment rights. Yet these same liberal/progressives also grovel at the feet of Islam, a religion the adherents of which actually murder gays for the crime of being gay in gruesome and brutal fashion. Quote:

"Saudi Arabia produces textbooks used inside and outside the kingdom that teach that the punishment for homosexuality is death. One book quotes Ibn Qudamah, who said, “The companions of the Prophet were unanimous on killing, although they differed in the description, that is, in the manner of killing. Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [a homosexual] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place.”

"Under Islamic law, homosexuals may be sentenced to death in 12 countries..."

Robertson has a point. Let a Christian attempt to exercise their First Amendment right to the free practice of their religion and the liberal/progressive crowd will instantly begin foaming at the mouth with rage and launch themselves into near-murderous retribution mode. However let adherents to Islam burn gays alive, toss them from rooftops, drown, hang, or simply shoot gays just for being gay, and that same liberal/progressive crowd will say nothing, do nothing.

Except, of course, attempt to blame Christians and/or the Republican Party when another adherent to Islam murders 49 gay people in the name of Allah.

This obvious dichotomy wrapped in typical leftist hypocrisy has been interesting to watch play out. Since the Orlando shootings liberals have been scrambling to find evidence which does not exist, justifications which do not apply, and inane rationalizations which incriminate others all in the attempt to wrap Omar Mateen in a blanket of sympathy woven from leftist attempts to render him a victim of the intolerant American religious right. The desperation to attach blame to anything other than the very cause Mateen himself articulated has the left in this country scrambling around like roaches caught in the light.

The reaction to Robertson's comments also, once again, reveals the flawed logic and intellectual bankruptcy of the American left. Robertson employed a metaphor, a concept unfathomable to your average liberal/progressive. The phrase sit back and let them kill themselves does not and did not literally mean we as Christians should sit by and either allow the left to kill themselves or cheer as they do it. It was a metaphor for the fact we as Christians at times have no choice but to let people be themselves.

As a rule American liberal/progressives do not hate radical Islam. They do not hate radical Islamic terrorism or those who put radical Islamic terrorism into brutal practice. American liberal/progressives hate Christians, Conservatives, and Conservative Christianity. They see Conservatives, conservative ideals and the religious right as the true enemy to be destroyed, based on the insane logic and vapid reasoning that whereas adherents to Islam may murder members of the LBGT crowd in vile, demented fashion, Conservatives question, question, mind, the supposed wisdom of opening up all public bathrooms to anyone who may want to walk into one. To your average liberal/progressive the questioning is the greater threat.

In regard to the dilemma Robertson states the liberal/progressive left has imposed upon themselves, he is correct. The liberal left is attempting to find some logical means to promote a completely illogical, not to mention heartless, position, that of supporting the LGBT community while also groveling before Islam. What the left in general either does not or refuses to realize is that dichotomy in practice does not lead to enlightenment nor support their position of presumed superiority. It leads to events such as 49 gay people lying dead in an Orlando night-club.

I am not defending everything Robertson has ever said. I am saying that in this case he has a point.
 
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Progressives and liberals do not generally have "murderous rage" in reaction to social conservatives. Do not confuse resolve with rage. This seems more like projection on the part of religious conservatives of your own insecurities onto us.
 
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For context your point could have been better made had the video not ended here. When you listen to the totality of his comments Robertson's point becomes clear and this attack against him is revealed as just another attempt at deflection.

Liberal/progressives do face a dilemma, one they refuse to even acknowledge. One one hand they support LBGT "rights" in all form and fashion, even to the point of destroying the lives and lively-hoods of American business owners doing nothing more than attempting to exercise their First Amendment rights. Yet these same liberal/progressives also grovel at the feet of Islam, a religion the adherents of which actually murder gays for the crime of being gay in gruesome and brutal fashion. Quote:

"Saudi Arabia produces textbooks used inside and outside the kingdom that teach that the punishment for homosexuality is death. One book quotes Ibn Qudamah, who said, “The companions of the Prophet were unanimous on killing, although they differed in the description, that is, in the manner of killing. Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [a homosexual] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place.”

"Under Islamic law, homosexuals may be sentenced to death in 12 countries..."

Robertson has a point. Let a Christian attempt to exercise their First Amendment right to the free practice of their religion and the liberal/progressive crowd will instantly begin foaming at the mouth with rage and launch themselves into near-murderous retribution mode. However let adherents to Islam burn gays alive, toss them from rooftops, drown, hang, or simply shoot gays just for being gay, and that same liberal/progressive crowd will say nothing, do nothing.

Except, of course, attempt to blame Christians and/or the Republican Party when another adherent to Islam murders 49 gay people in the name of Allah.

This obvious dichotomy wrapped in typical leftist hypocrisy has been interesting to watch play out. Since the Orlando shootings liberals have been scrambling to find evidence which does not exist, justifications which do not apply, and inane rationalizations which incriminate others all in the attempt to wrap Omar Mateen in a blanket of sympathy woven from leftist attempts to render him a victim of the intolerant American religious right. The desperation to attach blame to anything other than the very cause Mateen himself articulated has the left in this country scrambling around like roaches caught in the light.

The reaction to Robertson's comments also, once again, reveals the flawed logic and intellectual bankruptcy of the American left. Robertson employed a metaphor, a concept unfathomable to your average liberal/progressive. The phrase sit back and let them kill themselves does not and did not literally mean we as Christians should sit by and either allow the left to kill themselves or cheer as they do it. It was a metaphor for the fact we as Christians at times have no choice but to let people be themselves.

As a rule American liberal/progressives do not hate radical Islam. They do not hate radical Islamic terrorism or those who put radical Islamic terrorism into brutal practice. American liberal/progressives hate Christians, Conservatives, and Conservative Christianity. They see Conservatives, conservative ideals and the religious right as the true enemy to be destroyed, based on the insane logic and vapid reasoning that whereas adherents to Islam may murder members of the LBGT crowd in vile, demented fashion, Conservatives question, question, mind, the supposed wisdom of opening up all public bathrooms to anyone who may want to walk into one. To your average liberal/progressive the questioning is the greater threat.

In regard to the dilemma Robertson states the liberal/progressive left has imposed upon themselves, he is correct. The liberal left is attempting to find some logical means to promote a completely illogical, not to mention heartless, position, that of supporting the LGBT community while also groveling before Islam. What the left in general either does not or refuses to realize is that dichotomy in practice does not lead to enlightenment nor support their position of presumed superiority. It leads to events such as 49 gay people lying dead in an Orlando night-club.

I am not defending everything Robertson has ever said. I am saying that in this case he has a point.


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For context your point could have been better made had the video not ended here. When you listen to the totality of his comments Robertson's point becomes clear and this attack against him is revealed as just another attempt at deflection.

Liberal/progressives do face a dilemma, one they refuse to even acknowledge. One one hand they support LBGT "rights" in all form and fashion, even to the point of destroying the lives and lively-hoods of American business owners doing nothing more than attempting to exercise their First Amendment rights. Yet these same liberal/progressives also grovel at the feet of Islam, a religion the adherents of which actually murder gays for the crime of being gay in gruesome and brutal fashion. Quote:

"Saudi Arabia produces textbooks used inside and outside the kingdom that teach that the punishment for homosexuality is death. One book quotes Ibn Qudamah, who said, “The companions of the Prophet were unanimous on killing, although they differed in the description, that is, in the manner of killing. Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [a homosexual] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place.”

"Under Islamic law, homosexuals may be sentenced to death in 12 countries..."

Robertson has a point. Let a Christian attempt to exercise their First Amendment right to the free practice of their religion and the liberal/progressive crowd will instantly begin foaming at the mouth with rage and launch themselves into near-murderous retribution mode. However let adherents to Islam burn gays alive, toss them from rooftops, drown, hang, or simply shoot gays just for being gay, and that same liberal/progressive crowd will say nothing, do nothing.

Except, of course, attempt to blame Christians and/or the Republican Party when another adherent to Islam murders 49 gay people in the name of Allah.

This obvious dichotomy wrapped in typical leftist hypocrisy has been interesting to watch play out. Since the Orlando shootings liberals have been scrambling to find evidence which does not exist, justifications which do not apply, and inane rationalizations which incriminate others all in the attempt to wrap Omar Mateen in a blanket of sympathy woven from leftist attempts to render him a victim of the intolerant American religious right. The desperation to attach blame to anything other than the very cause Mateen himself articulated has the left in this country scrambling around like roaches caught in the light.

The reaction to Robertson's comments also, once again, reveals the flawed logic and intellectual bankruptcy of the American left. Robertson employed a metaphor, a concept unfathomable to your average liberal/progressive. The phrase sit back and let them kill themselves does not and did not literally mean we as Christians should sit by and either allow the left to kill themselves or cheer as they do it. It was a metaphor for the fact we as Christians at times have no choice but to let people be themselves.

As a rule American liberal/progressives do not hate radical Islam. They do not hate radical Islamic terrorism or those who put radical Islamic terrorism into brutal practice. American liberal/progressives hate Christians, Conservatives, and Conservative Christianity. They see Conservatives, conservative ideals and the religious right as the true enemy to be destroyed, based on the insane logic and vapid reasoning that whereas adherents to Islam may murder members of the LBGT crowd in vile, demented fashion, Conservatives question, question, mind, the supposed wisdom of opening up all public bathrooms to anyone who may want to walk into one. To your average liberal/progressive the questioning is the greater threat.

In regard to the dilemma Robertson states the liberal/progressive left has imposed upon themselves, he is correct. The liberal left is attempting to find some logical means to promote a completely illogical, not to mention heartless, position, that of supporting the LGBT community while also groveling before Islam. What the left in general either does not or refuses to realize is that dichotomy in practice does not lead to enlightenment nor support their position of presumed superiority. It leads to events such as 49 gay people lying dead in an Orlando night-club.

I am not defending everything Robertson has ever said. I am saying that in this case he has a point.

Actually, I am not in disagreement with anything you wrote. I'm not sure if you think I'm one of the liberals you're talking about, but I'm not.

I too believe there is a very real and very serious problem with Islam, and I realize that despite everything that's been done by ISIS and other militant Islamists, there is little to nothing said about the seriousness of what is happening in Islam. You are right in saying that everyone BUT Islamists are held responsible.

There is no doubt an enormous conflict of ideals when you try to support one group in their lifestyle as well as another group that would like to destroy the first group. And I understand the frustration and helplessness many feel in the face of all we're dealing with today.

However, this is ultimately not a battle against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities of darkness, and we are warned by Jesus in the Bible that the world will hate us, because of Him.

Regardless of the overall context (and I did watch more of his interview than that one clip) our words as Christians matter. There are much better ways to phrase such a statement then suggesting (even figuratively) that a group of people we don't agree with "kill themselves." If nothing less, we should be aware of our words and who they may reach. Obviously Pat Robertson has a significant audience, so his words have the potential to be heard by many. We need to think carefully about what we say, because our words should honour and glorify God.
 
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Still at it I see...this same so called "preacher" advocated in 1980s "I envision a Holy Spirit led police force that can arrest people before they commit a crime."

So throw out due process and also inspire the 2002 movie "minority Report" where psychics predict peoples crimes and have them arrested before any actual crime is committed.
When I saw that movie i thought "where have I heard this before? Oh, Pat Robertson..who actually tried to run for president..scary!"
 
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Progressives and liberals...

In context of ideology the terms liberal and progressive are synonymous.

...do not generally have "murderous rage" in reaction to social conservatives.

I said "near murderous rage." But if that isn't true explain the violence inherent with anti-Trump protesters. Or the sheer vitriolic hatred of Sarah Palin:

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Or the philosophy which would demand a pizza shop be closed down because the owner made a comment the liberal/progressive crowd didn't like.

Do not confuse resolve with rage.

Resolve to do what? Destroy the First Amendment. Let actual persecution of gays go completely unchallenged? Codified, even?

This seems more like projection on the part of religious conservatives of your own insecurities onto us.

I am not the least bit insecure when it comes to speaking the truth concerning liberalism.
 
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