Pastor Who Eulogized Aretha Franklin Under Fire for Comments

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Not according to the numbers...blacks get away with more crimes than any other race in this nation.

in what reality? are you just making things up now? the fact that prisons are predominantly filled with africans doesn't fly in the face of such a claim?

This is racist.

It certainly is racist for white folks to get away with the same crimes African people do not.

 

[Ana the Ist]

in what reality?

There's only one reality.

are you just making things up now?

Check the numbers yourself if you doubt me.

the fact that prisons are predominantly filled with africans doesn't fly in the face of such a claim?

No...it doesn't. Black men commit far more crimes than any other group. As a result, there's more in prison than any other group. There's also more getting away with their crimes and never getting caught than any other group.

It certainly is racist for white folks to get away with the same crimes African people do not.

What crimes do you think whites are getting away with?

 

[Aldebaran]

African men don't do anything and get away with it, which is why black on black crime is a non-issue.

we do the crime, we do the time.

white people on the other hand..

If this were true, then the police must be doing a really great job at finding and arresting all those gang members that do the shooting and killing of people in Chicago. However, it doesn't seem to explain how they get to continue doing it again and again as if nobody is catching them and imprisoning them at all.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Check the numbers yourself if you doubt me.

not my job to your homework for you. you make the claim you bring the evidence

No...it doesn't. Black men commit far more crimes than any other group. As a result, there's more in prison than any other group.

but...I thought they were getting away with the crimes...

There's also more getting away with their crimes and never getting caught than any other group.

claim with no proof

disregarded

What crimes do you think whites are getting away with?

I don't recall any of these police officers going to prison for murdering africans.

you did have two African police officers who were each given 40 years instantly for killing a white person, despite the fact that they were attempting to protect themselves from being ran over by the perp.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

If this were true, then the police must be doing a really great job at finding and arresting all those gang members that do the shooting and killing of people in Chicago. However, it doesn't seem to explain how they get to continue doing it again and again as if nobody is catching them and imprisoning them at all.

so what you're saying is these africans are being caught by the police, and let go by the courts for murder?

there's a difference from being let off by the judicial system for murder and being able to escape apprehension. they're not being acquitted of murder, they just got away from the police.

George Zimmerman hasn't done a day in prison for murdering Trevon. the murderers of alton sterling haven't done a day in jail for murdering him.

 

[Ana the Ist]

not my job to your homework for you. you make the claim you bring the evidence.

I was just trying to spare you some embarrassment. I don't like posting the stats if I can help it. Some people use them to draw some negative conclusions.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

but...I thought they were getting away with the crimes...

More often than other races, yes. Here's some info about unsolved murders.

https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/...say-about-disparities-crime-and-prosecution-0

I don't recall any of these police officers going to prison for murdering africans.

Some do. We're talking about a really small number of killings tho.

you did have two African police officers who were each given 40 years instantly for killing a white person, despite the fact that they were attempting to protect themselves from being ran over by the perp.

What case is this? Your turn to provide some evidence.

 

[Aldebaran]

so what you're saying is these africans are being caught by the police, and let go by the courts for murder?

It's either that or these "africans", as you call them, are getting away with what they do. So much for the idea that black people can't get away with things white people can.

there's a difference from being let off by the judicial system for murder and being able to escape apprehension. they're not being acquitted of murder, they just got away from the police.

They must be pretty good at doing that--and shooting more people.

George Zimmerman hasn't done a day in prison for murdering Trevon. the murderers of alton sterling haven't done a day in jail for murdering him.

It doesn't sound like the court of law means anything to you. Would you rather the people you're referring to be tried in the court of public opinion?

 

[Belk]

So I presume this will now devolve into the usual fight instead of being focused on the question of this being appropriate at the funeral?

 

[Desk trauma]

So I presume this will now devolve into the usual fight instead of being focused on the question of this being appropriate at the funeral?

Que M Bison...

 

[Aldebaran]

So I presume this will now devolve into the usual fight instead of being focused on the question of this being appropriate at the funeral?

You're the only one to know that for sure.

 

[Belk]

You're the only one to know that for sure.

 

[Aldebaran]

Your post was in the form of a question that made it sound like you were asking us if you presumed something.

 

[RDKirk]

So I presume this will now devolve into the usual fight instead of being focused on the question of this being appropriate at the funeral?

I think everyone agrees it was inappropriate.

It's just that some people here are upset that even some liberals have a sense of propriety.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I think everyone agrees it was inappropriate.

It's just that some people here are upset that even some liberals have a sense of propriety.

Where were those liberals when McCain's funeral was politicized?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

thanks for this as I was looking for it for a while because I posted it before when someone here kept rattling on about black on black crime.

this shows whites making up 70% of the arrests and committing the vast majority of the crimes. what point were you trying make here?

https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/...say-about-disparities-crime-and-prosecution-0

this only reiterates the point I already made. this has nothing to with corruption of the law or judicial misconduct. this is people simply getting away from being apprehended. the prisons are chalked full of black people who, per the link you provided, aren't even committing anywhere near as many crimes as whites.

Some do. We're talking about a really small number of killings tho.

consistent judicial misconduct when white officers gun down Africans is hardly an insignificant matter. though I wouldn't be surprised that those who would share the same mentality as a Richard spencer, jered taylor, or a david duke would think it a small matter.

What case is this? Your turn to provide some evidence.

here ya go bud:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...derrick-stafford-sentenced-killing-boy-autism

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

It's either that or these "africans", as you call them, are getting away with what they do. So much for the idea that black people can't get away with things white people can.

I guess you're just going to be intellectually dishonest here and continue to conflate judicial misconduct and judicial bias with people successfully running away from the police.

They must be pretty good at doing that--and shooting more people.

assuming these are the same people shooting folks as well as assuming the number of people being shot is even that many. there probably aren't as many people being killed in Chicago in the whole year as there were at the hands of steven paddock and Nicholas cruz in the same year.

It doesn't sound like the court of law means anything to you. Would you rather the people you're referring to be tried in the court of public opinion?

you mean like bill cosby, nate parker, Michael Jackson and OJ simpson?

 

[Ana the Ist]

thanks for this as I was looking for it for a while because I posted it before when someone here kept rattling on about black on black crime.

this shows whites making up 70% of the arrests and committing the vast majority of the crimes. what point were you trying make here?

Well unfortunately, hispanics or latinos just get lumped into the white category and then they try to account for them as an "ethnicity"....but regardless, whites make up 77% of the population. Blacks are only 13%....so as a group, they commit twice as much crime.

this only reiterates the point I already made. this has nothing to with corruption of the law or judicial misconduct. this is people simply getting away from being apprehended. the prisons are chalked full of black people who, per the link you provided, aren't even committing anywhere near as many crimes as whites.

Well, for starters, I never said it had anything to do with corruption...I said blacks get away with more crimes. Secondly, try to ignore those numbers for whites, since a big part of those are committed by latinos. Thirdly, arrested doesn't mean you go to jail. Rape is notoriously hard to prosecute for example...and when you look at categories that prosecutors try really hard to convict, like murder, you'll notice blacks commit half of those.

consistent judicial misconduct when white officers gun down Africans is hardly an insignificant matter.

Is it? The vast majority of blacks killed by police are armed...those unarmed are a smaller number...and being unarmed doesn't mean the shooting was illegal. So realistically, we're talking about maybe 12-24 cases a year. That's not great...but it's hardly a crisis.

though I wouldn't be surprised that those who would share the same mentality as a Richard spencer, jered taylor, or a david duke would think it a small matter.

Not sure what you mean by this. If you're trying to say something...say it. I don't know any of their views on police.

here ya go bud:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...derrick-stafford-sentenced-killing-boy-autism

And what exactly is your problem with that case? They had it on video and the victim was an autistic child and a man with his hands up.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Well unfortunately, hispanics or latinos just get lumped into the white category and then they try to account for them as an "ethnicity"....but regardless, whites make up 77% of the population. Blacks are only 13%....so as a group, they commit twice as much crime.

...dude wut?

this is a prime example of torturing the statistics to get them to say what you want. whites are committing nearly 3/4th of the crimes in this country. that's what those stats say. don't get too dizzy spinning bud.

Well, for starters, I never said it had anything to do with corruption...I said blacks get away with more crimes. Secondly, try to ignore those numbers for whites, since a big part of those are committed by latinos. Thirdly, arrested doesn't mean you go to jail. Rape is notoriously hard to prosecute for example...and when you look at categories that prosecutors try really hard to convict, like murder, you'll notice blacks commit half of those.

and now you are also being intellectually dishonest in conflating judicial corruption and bias with simply escaping apprehension. your also trying to dump the stats for whites on latinos with nothing to substantiate such a claim.

seriously, don't hurt yourself spinning bud.

i'm well aware that arrests and charges don't always equal jail time. it's kinda the point of this whole thing and what I mean by "getting away with crime".

Is it? The vast majority of blacks killed by police are armed...those unarmed are a smaller number...and being unarmed doesn't mean the shooting was illegal. So realistically, we're talking about maybe 12-24 cases a year. That's not great...but it's hardly a crisis.

yeah, it is. a crisis of the judicial system being consistently corrupt and bias in light of white police officers murdering africans. not only the police departments, but also the media and even the government. the media vilifies the victum in painting him as a criminal and then the government makes up blues lives matter laws to protect police officers in response to these murders.

Not sure what you mean by this. If you're trying to say something...say it. I don't know any of their views on police.

calling a spade a spade is prohibited on this forum

And what exactly is your problem with that case? They had it on video and the victim was an autistic child and a man with his hands up.

assuming the prosecutor claims are true, you had the same evidence in the cases against white officers and these guys never did a day in prison. they would also talked about how it's so hard to convict a police officer, which is true.....if you're white.

 

[Non sequitur]

...dude wut?

this is a prime example of torturing the statistics to get them to say what you want. whites are committing nearly 3/4th of the crimes in this country. that's what those stats say. don't get too dizzy spinning bud.

"In 2016, 69.6 percent of all individuals arrested were White, 26.9 percent were Black or African American, and 3.6 percent were of other races."

13% of the population arrested for 26.9% of the crime; this is what was said.

I fail to see any spinning.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

"In 2016, 69.6 percent of all individuals arrested were White, 26.9 percent were Black or African American, and 3.6 percent were of other races."

13% of the population arrested for 26.9% of the crime; this is what was said.

I fail to see any spinning.

Who's committing 3/4ths of crimes in this country according to the data, whites or blacks?

 

[Non sequitur]

Who's committing 3/4ths of crimes in this country according to the data, whites or blacks?

The data is about arrests, not crimes committed, so I have no idea.

Are you purposefully ignoring the pointing out of population vs ratio of population arrested?