Passover For Christians

[HARK!]

1.) The last supper was the Pesach seder, the following Scriptures clearly tells us this.

(CLV) Lk 22:15
And He said to them, "With yearning I yearn to be eating this passover with you before My suffering.

(CLV) Lk 22:16
For I am saying to you that under no circumstances may I be eating of it till it may be fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

Yahshua didn't get to eat the Pesach with his disciples. He knew what was to come. This was the evening of the 14th. Yahshua was slaughtered the following day of the 14th, when all of the rest of the Pesach lambs were slaughtered, which were eaten on the evening of the 15th.

(CLV) Jn 18:28
They are, then, leading Jesus from Caiaphas into the pretorium. Now it was morning, and they did not enter into the pretorium lest they may be defiled, but may be eating the passover.

The Passover is eaten on the night of the 15th, not the night of the 14th. Thou shalt not eat the Passover lamb before it is slaughtered. The Passover lamb is slaughtered during the day of the 14th.


(CLV) Jn 19:14
Now it was the preparation of the Passover; the hour was about the third. And he is saying to the Jews, "Lo! your king!"

(CLV) Jn 19:15
Yet they clamor then, "Away! Away! Crucify him!" Pilate is saying to them, "Shall I crucify your king?" The chief priests answered, "No king have we except Caesar!"


(CLV) Num 9:13
Yet the man, he who is clean and bis not on the road and forbears to observe the passover, that soul will be cut off from its kinsmen because he has not brought near the approach present of Yahweh at its appointed time; that man shall bear his sin.

 

[Clare73]

Perhaps Solomon can shed some light on this subject.

(CLV) Pr 21:29
A wicked man sets his face with impudence, Yet an upright man, he considers his way.

(CLV) Pr 21:30
There is no wisdom, there is no comprehension, And there is no counsel in confronting Yahweh.

(CLV) Pr 21:31
A horse is prepared for the day of battle, Yet the victory ( התשועה the salvation) belongs to Yahweh.

The same Solomon who sinned away his wisdom?

How do those address the Biblical fact that God never promised salvation through the law of the Mosaic covenant.

From the beginning (Galatians 3:21-25), he has promised it through faith in the Promise (Christ, Genesis 15:5-6).
The Mosaic Covenant was not a new covenant of works (Galatians 3:18), but a continuation of the covenant of grace through faith which obeys (Exodus 19:5).
The Mosaic covenant did not do away with righteousness by faith going all the way back to Abraham (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3, Romans 4:5).
Rather, it was given to reveal sin (Romans 3:20, 7:7) and to lead to Christ (Galatians 3:24).

Now that faith in Christ has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law of the Mosaic covenant (Galatians 3:25), which was temporarily added (Galatians 3:19; Romans 5:20) to the Abrahamic covenant until faith in Christ came.

That covenant is now obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

That is NT apostolic teaching. . .authoritative regarding NT belief.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Luke 22:7-20 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. So, Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.”

So you are saying these verses really mean this:

Then came the day before Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. So, Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, go and prepare our last supper before we fast.

Is this correct?

Perhaps the Jewish leaders were on a different calendar? So they were still preparing? But Yeshua and His followers already had Passover? Or did they just keep Passover on the evening of the 14th?

 

[HARK!]

Now that faith in Christ has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law of the Mosaic covenant (Galatians 3:25)

Did you read the preceding verse before coming to this erroneous conclusion

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become (present perfect tense) our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.


Paul speaks on this subject again here. He's teaching, as usual, from the TaNaK:

(CLV) Ro 1:17
For in it God's righteousness is being revealed, out of faith for faith, according as it is written: "Now the just one by faith shall be living."

Where is this written?

(CLV) Hab 2:4
Behold, it is made presumptuous: his soul is not upright in him. Yet the just one by his faith shall live.

YHWH is speaking against a lawless people in this verse.

When we look at the Hebrew word for just (וצדיק), Strong's gives us three expressions to help us to understand what this word means, just, lawful, and righteous.

When we study at the Hebrew word for faith (אמונה); we will see that it can be more accurately defined as faithfulness

 

[Der Alte]

* * * Is "forever" in the Bible?
"Everlasting" (aidios) is in the Bible, which means without interruption, permanence, unchangeable.
It does not mean never ending, but rather age-lasting.
* * *

Bauer, Danker, Arndt, Gingrich Greek lexicon is one of, if not the, the most highly accredited Greek lexicons currently available. It represents about 120-160 years of accumulative scholarship. I think you are confusing aidios with aionios. But the post is in error either way.

ἀΐδιος, ον [aidios] (ἀεί ‘always’; Hom. Hymns, Hes. et al.; ins; PSI 1422, 16; Wsd 7:26; 4 Macc 10:15; a favorite w. Philo: Jos., Ant. 4, 178; 17, 152; Just., A II, 11, 5; Tat. 14, 2; Ath.; Mel., P. 2f, 20) eternal ἡ ἀ. αὐτοῦ (of God) δύναμις Ro 1:20 (Zoroaster in Philo Bybl.: 790 Fgm. 4, 52 Jac. [Eus., PE 1, 10, 52]; 58th letter of Apollonius of Tyana [Philostrat. I 360, 29 K.]; SibOr 5, 66 θεὸς ἀ.). ζωή (Philo, Fug. 97; Tat.14, 2) IEph 19:3; δεσμοῖς ἀ. Jd 6 (PGM 4, 1466 πυλωρὲ κλείθρων ἀϊδίων).—DELG s.v. αἰών. M-M. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). In A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 24). University of Chicago Press.
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[HARK!]

The same Solomon who sinned away his wisdom?

Where is it written that Solomon sinned away his wisdom?

Are you suggesting that Proverbs isn't scripture?

Are you suggesting that he sinned away his salvation?

Are you suggesting that Solomon was not saved; that we won't see him in the Kingdom to come?

Will he not find salvation through Yahshua? Was Yahshua not the lamb slain before the foundation?

What is sin?

Did not Solomon repent? Do you believe that one is saved through Yahshua without repenting?

If not, repenting from what?

You have some splainin' to do, especially in the light that Paul said that new covenants don't annul old covenants, as is exemplified throughout the Torah.

 

[Clare73]

Did you read the preceding verse before coming to this erroneous conclusion

Did you before coming to yours?

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become (present perfect tense) our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.


Paul speaks on this subject again here. He's teaching, as usual, from the TaNaK:

Are you denying the authoritative apostolic teaching of Galatians 3:25; i.e.,

"Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

(CLV) Ro 1:17
For in it God's righteousness is being revealed, out of faith for faith, according as it is written: "Now the just one by faith shall be living."

Where is this written?

(CLV) Hab 2:4
Behold, it is made presumptuous: his soul is not upright in him. Yet the just one by his faith shall live.

YHWH is speaking against a lawless people in this verse.

When we look at the Hebrew word for just (וצדיק), Strong's gives us three expressions to help us to understand what this word means, just, lawful, and righteous.

When we study at the Hebrew word for faith (אמונה); we will see that it can be more accurately defined as faithfulness

 

[HARK!]

but a continuation of the covenant of grace through faith which obeys (Exodus 19:5).

Obeys? Why, whatever do you mean by that?

 

[ChetSinger]

...What is the Memorial of Passover for a Christian?...

Good question. At my church it's the Last Supper, remembered every time we have Communion.

 

[HARK!]

Are you denying the authoritative apostolic teaching of Galatians 3:25; i.e.,

"Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

Did you finish reading what I wrote. If you are in faithful obedience to the the law; it is because the Law HAS become your tutor. Let's not cherry pick Paul's words and reject his message. BTW, Paul didn't teach against the Torah. Paul was a slave to the Torah. That is his message, just as Yahshua, John the Baptist, and the rest of the Apostles taught.


(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

 

[Clare73]

Obeys? Why, whatever do you mean by that?

Pretty much what salvation and justification by faith, apart from faith's works, just the faith itself, means.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Numbers 33:3 They set out from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month. On the day after the Passover, the people of Israel went out triumphantly in the sight of all the Egyptians,

Deuteronomy 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the Lord thy God: for in the month of Abib the Lord thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

Something just occured to me. They set out from Ramses on the 15th. This began the exodus. According to Deut 16:1, they left Egypt by night. If they kept Passover the night of the 15th, they were not allowed to leave their homes until the morning. Did they depart Egypt the next night? The beginning of the 16th? Or is it more likely they kept Passover the evening of the 14th, "spoiled the Egyptians" and prepared for departure the morning and afternoon of the 14th, and began the exodus at the beginning of the 15th?

 

[Clare73]

Did you finish reading what I wrote. If you are in faithful obedience to the the law; it is because the Law HAS become your tutor.
Let's not cherry pick Paul's words and reject his message.

Clever times half. . .

Distinction without a difference. . .the words are the message.

Are you denying the authoritative NT apostolic teaching of Galatians 3:25?

"Now that faith in Christ has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

 

[HARK!]

Pretty much what salvation and justification by faith, apart from faith's works, just the faith itself, means.

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.

(CLV) Ja 2:26
For even as the body apart from spirit is dead, thus also faith apart from works is dead.

Sorry, dead faith is for the dead.

 

[HARK!]

Clever times half. . .

The words are the message.

Are you denying the words of Galatians 3:25?

One cannot understand those words out of context. Cherry picking takes them out of context.

Maybe Yahshua can help.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness (keeping the law) should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

 

[HARK!]

Good question. At my church it's the Last Supper, remembered every time we have Communion.

The last supper was not a Passover seder.

 

[Clare73]

I suggest that instead we pay attention to the actual meaning of words.

Is "forever" in the Bible?

"Everlasting" (aidios) is in the Bible, which means without interruption, permanence, unchangeable.
It does not mean never ending, but rather age-lasting.

The Mosaic covenant did not invalidate the Abrahamic covenant.
God never promised salvation through the law of the Mosaic covenant.

Bauer, Danker, Arndt, Gingrich Greek lexicon is one of, if not the, the most highly accredited Greek lexicons currently available. It represents about 120-160 years of accumulative scholarship. I think you are confusing aidios with aionios. But the post is in error either way.
ἀΐδιος, ον [aidios] (ἀεί ‘always’; Hom. Hymns, Hes. et al.; ins; PSI 1422, 16; Wsd 7:26; 4 Macc 10:15; a favorite w. Philo: Jos., Ant. 4, 178; 17, 152; Just., A II, 11, 5; Tat. 14, 2; Ath.; Mel., P. 2f, 20) eternal ἡ ἀ. αὐτοῦ (of God) δύναμις Ro 1:20 (Zoroaster in Philo Bybl.: 790 Fgm. 4, 52 Jac. [Eus., PE 1, 10, 52]; 58th letter of Apollonius of Tyana [Philostrat. I 360, 29 K.]; SibOr 5, 66 θεὸς ἀ.). ζωή (Philo, Fug. 97; Tat.14, 2) IEph 19:3; δεσμοῖς ἀ. Jd 6 (PGM 4, 1466 πυλωρὲ κλείθρων ἀϊδίων).—DELG s.v. αἰών. M-M. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). In A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 24). University of Chicago Press.

Actually, I do mean aidios.

What do you think I should have said?

 

[HARK!]

On every page of Ecclesiastes. . .read it and see if you can find any spiritual wisdom.

Book, chapter, verse, please. "Go read a book," doesn't support your bare assertion fallacy.

 

[Clare73]

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.
(CLV) Ja 2:26
For even as the body apart from spirit is dead, thus also faith apart from works is dead.
Sorry,

dead faith is for the dead.

Precisely my meaning.

 

[Der Alte]

Actually, I do mean aidios.
What do you think I should have said?​

If you said what you meant, that is what you should have said. But according to the Greek lexicon I quoted aidios means "always" and "forever" Link to 1952 edition of BAGD as it was known then.
A Greek-English Lexicon Gingrich & Danker

The linked lexicon does not reproduce the Greek correctly so "aidios" appears as aji?dio"