Passover For Christians

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Guilt of sin is the cause of death (Romans 6:23), it is not a consequence unconnected to guilt.

Of what sin, which caused their deaths, were those between Adam and Moses guilty, when there was no law to sin against and, therefore, they did not sin (Romans 5:14)?

Wow are you confused...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Would that have anything to do with not answering my questions?

It has to do with your lack of minimal understanding...

 

[Paul4JC]

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

[1Jo 5:17a NIV] All wrongdoing is sin,

[Jas 4:17 NIV] If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.

[Rom 14:23b NIV] and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

How does that answer what is the water of the thief's rebirth?

Why are you asking if 1 + 1 = 3? You need to understand rudimentary math before we can have a conversation about it...sorry.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Another question does not answer my question.

It does...

 

[HARK!]

Deuteronomy 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the Lord thy God: for in the month of Abib the Lord thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

You all are saying the Israelites departed at sunrise. This seems to conflict with this verse.

Shalom Brother,

Did you read the lengthy walk-through that I took the time to prepare just for you, here: Post #290

 

[HARK!]

[Rom 14:23b NIV] and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

This is but one reason why I faithfully keep Pesach.

 

[Filippus]

So you are saying that He was crucified some day AFTER the 15th?

No Scripture does.

Matthew 26:17-20 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

Mark 14:12-18 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

Luke 22:7-20 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. So, Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.”

Jesus asks his disciples to go and prepare the Passover.

Greek 3957. Pascha Definition: the Passover, the Passover supper or lamb Usage: the feast of Passover, the Passover lamb.

Jesus captured after midnight means He was alive and well on the 15th.

The 14th was a Friday, the preparation day.

How confident are you in Friday being the 14th?

How certain are you in Friday being the preparation day linked to His crucifixion?

Calculating the Jewish calendar back we get the following examples of weekdays that falls on the 14th. (I am not claiming it's accurate)

27 AD the 14th fell on a Thursday.
28 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
29 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
30 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
31 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
32 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
33 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
34 AD the 14th fell on a Wednesday

Or do you support the Essenes calendar who celebrates the 14th on a Tuesday?

During the Passover, we have three days that qualify as a day of Preparation. The 14th, Friday and the 20th.

The 14th was eliminated by Matthew, Mark and Luke quoted above, leaving only the weekly Sabbath that falls on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the Annual preparation day of the 20th.

Now, which one is it?

I find it interesting that people always focus on explaining how Jesus fulfilled the Pesach, but how did He complete the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits?

So when was the crucifixion?

Matthew 12:40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Quote from the prophet Jonah.

Jonah 1:17 And the Lord appointed a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

The crucifixion was three days and three nights before the first day of the week, or Sunday. Resurrection occurs the first day of the week before sunrise.

John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.

These scriptures support a Thursday crucifixion implying that Friday was a Feast Sabbath, which means Friday was the 21st, the end of the feast of unleavened bread. The year 30 AD or 33 AD is possibly a match.

Considering the Essene calendar, the Passover is celebrated on Tuesday evening, placing His capture Wednesday morning during the early hours. Wednesday being a feast Sabbath preventing the trial. John 19:14 they trialled Jesus at noon, the sixth hour, this is only possible on Thursday.

The Gospels are clear placing His crucifixion on the third hour which now can only be the next day or Friday.

This Friday, a weekly Sabbath that also falls on the Feast of Unleavened Bread satisfying John 19:31 or High Sabbath. This interpretation interprets the darkness falling on the earth at noon as fulfilling Matt 12:40.

Now we see how Jesus also became our daily sacrifice, through the 3rd,6th and 9th hours mentioned in the scriptures. The two lams were slaughtered each day on the 3rd and the 9th hour.

Jesus’s resurrection occurs on Sunday, before sunrise. John 20:1

Jesus also fulfilled the feast of Firstfruits with His resurrection on the first day of the week.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the Firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Now before you just dismiss this, this was actually part of the ancient church orders around 230 AD and can be found in the Didascalia, and therefore is historically supported, unlike today.

So IYO, He did not fulfill anything...not the death of the lambs on the 14th, the 15th or even Yom habikkurim???? What exactly is your timeline? Lambs were selected on the 10th and killed on the 14th.

Not sure how you jumped to this conclusion, therefore cannot help you?

By the way, Jesus also completed the requirement of being the Lamb that had to be selected on the 10th.

John 12:1 Six days before the Passover,

Counting back from the 15th the first day of the Passover week takes us back to the 9th.

Verse 2, “So they gave a dinner”, which meant that evening which is now the 10th day in the evening.

Verse 3, Mary, therefore, took a pound of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

Here Jesus was anointed on the evening of the 10th as our Lamb!

Verse 12 The next day (the day part of the 10th) the large crowd that had come to the feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. 13 So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”

Therefore, Jesus became The Lamb selected on the 10th by Jerusalem.

Hope this helps

Shalom

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No Scripture does.

Matthew 26:17-20 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

Mark 14:12-18 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

Luke 22:7-20 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. So, Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.”

Jesus asks his disciples to go and prepare the Passover.

Greek 3957. Pascha Definition: the Passover, the Passover supper or lamb Usage: the feast of Passover, the Passover lamb.

Jesus captured after midnight means He was alive and well on the 15th.



How confident are you in Friday being the 14th?

How certain are you in Friday being the preparation day linked to His crucifixion?

Calculating the Jewish calendar back we get the following examples of weekdays that falls on the 14th. (I am not claiming it's accurate)

27 AD the 14th fell on a Thursday.
28 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
29 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
30 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
31 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
32 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
33 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
34 AD the 14th fell on a Wednesday

Or do you support the Essenes calendar who celebrates the 14th on a Tuesday?

During the Passover, we have three days that qualify as a day of Preparation. The 14th, Friday and the 20th.

The 14th was eliminated by Matthew, Mark and Luke quoted above, leaving only the weekly Sabbath that falls on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the Annual preparation day of the 20th.

Now, which one is it?

I find it interesting that people always focus on explaining how Jesus fulfilled the Pesach, but how did He complete the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits?




Matthew 12:40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Quote from the prophet Jonah.

Jonah 1:17 And the Lord appointed a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

The crucifixion was three days and three nights before the first day of the week, or Sunday. Resurrection occurs the first day of the week before sunrise.

John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.

These scriptures support a Thursday crucifixion implying that Friday was a Feast Sabbath, which means Friday was the 21st, the end of the feast of unleavened bread. The year 30 AD or 33 AD is possibly a match.

Considering the Essene calendar, the Passover is celebrated on Tuesday evening, placing His capture Wednesday morning during the early hours. Wednesday being a feast Sabbath preventing the trial. John 19:14 they trialled Jesus at noon, the sixth hour, this is only possible on Thursday.

The Gospels are clear placing His crucifixion on the third hour which now can only be the next day or Friday.

This Friday, a weekly Sabbath that also falls on the Feast of Unleavened Bread satisfying John 19:31 or High Sabbath. This interpretation interprets the darkness falling on the earth at noon as fulfilling Matt 12:40.

Now we see how Jesus also became our daily sacrifice, through the 3rd,6th and 9th hours mentioned in the scriptures. The two lams were slaughtered each day on the 3rd and the 9th hour.

Jesus’s resurrection occurs on Sunday, before sunrise. John 20:1

Jesus also fulfilled the feast of Firstfruits with His resurrection on the first day of the week.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the Firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Now before you just dismiss this, this was actually part of the ancient church orders around 230 AD and can be found in the Didascalia, and therefore is historically supported, unlike today.



Not sure how you jumped to this conclusion, therefore cannot help you?

By the way, Jesus also completed the requirement of being the Lamb that had to be selected on the 10th.

John 12:1 Six days before the Passover,

Counting back from the 15th the first day of the Passover week takes us back to the 9th.

Verse 2, “So they gave a dinner”, which meant that evening which is now the 10th day in the evening.

Verse 3, Mary, therefore, took a pound of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

Here Jesus was anointed on the evening of the 10th as our Lamb!

Verse 12 The next day (the day part of the 10th) the large crowd that had come to the feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. 13 So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”

Therefore, Jesus became The Lamb selected on the 10th by Jerusalem.

Hope this helps

Shalom

Why did you omit John's narrative? Pesakh is on the 14th, the 15th being the 1st day of unleavened and a weekly Sabbath. The 16th would be Yom haBikkurim (day of first fruits). He died on Pesakh with the rest of the lambs, He rested on Shabbat in the tomb and rose on the 1st day of the week (on the 3rd day). BTW, I am a member of that ancient Church...

 

[daq]

No Scripture does.

Matthew 26:17-20 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

Mark 14:12-18 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

Luke 22:7-20 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. So, Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.”

Jesus asks his disciples to go and prepare the Passover.

Greek 3957. Pascha Definition: the Passover, the Passover supper or lamb Usage: the feast of Passover, the Passover lamb.

Jesus captured after midnight means He was alive and well on the 15th.



How confident are you in Friday being the 14th?

How certain are you in Friday being the preparation day linked to His crucifixion?

Calculating the Jewish calendar back we get the following examples of weekdays that falls on the 14th. (I am not claiming it's accurate)

27 AD the 14th fell on a Thursday.
28 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
29 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
30 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
31 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
32 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
33 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
34 AD the 14th fell on a Wednesday

Or do you support the Essenes calendar who celebrates the 14th on a Tuesday?

During the Passover, we have three days that qualify as a day of Preparation. The 14th, Friday and the 20th.

The 14th was eliminated by Matthew, Mark and Luke quoted above, leaving only the weekly Sabbath that falls on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the Annual preparation day of the 20th.

Now, which one is it?

I find it interesting that people always focus on explaining how Jesus fulfilled the Pesach, but how did He complete the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits?




Matthew 12:40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Quote from the prophet Jonah.

Jonah 1:17 And the Lord appointed a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

The crucifixion was three days and three nights before the first day of the week, or Sunday. Resurrection occurs the first day of the week before sunrise.

John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.

These scriptures support a Thursday crucifixion implying that Friday was a Feast Sabbath, which means Friday was the 21st, the end of the feast of unleavened bread. The year 30 AD or 33 AD is possibly a match.

Considering the Essene calendar, the Passover is celebrated on Tuesday evening, placing His capture Wednesday morning during the early hours. Wednesday being a feast Sabbath preventing the trial. John 19:14 they trialled Jesus at noon, the sixth hour, this is only possible on Thursday.

The Gospels are clear placing His crucifixion on the third hour which now can only be the next day or Friday.

This Friday, a weekly Sabbath that also falls on the Feast of Unleavened Bread satisfying John 19:31 or High Sabbath. This interpretation interprets the darkness falling on the earth at noon as fulfilling Matt 12:40.

Now we see how Jesus also became our daily sacrifice, through the 3rd,6th and 9th hours mentioned in the scriptures. The two lams were slaughtered each day on the 3rd and the 9th hour.

Jesus’s resurrection occurs on Sunday, before sunrise. John 20:1

Jesus also fulfilled the feast of Firstfruits with His resurrection on the first day of the week.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the Firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Now before you just dismiss this, this was actually part of the ancient church orders around 230 AD and can be found in the Didascalia, and therefore is historically supported, unlike today.



Not sure how you jumped to this conclusion, therefore cannot help you?

By the way, Jesus also completed the requirement of being the Lamb that had to be selected on the 10th.

John 12:1 Six days before the Passover,

Counting back from the 15th the first day of the Passover week takes us back to the 9th.

Verse 2, “So they gave a dinner”, which meant that evening which is now the 10th day in the evening.

Verse 3, Mary, therefore, took a pound of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

Here Jesus was anointed on the evening of the 10th as our Lamb!

Verse 12 The next day (the day part of the 10th) the large crowd that had come to the feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. 13 So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”

Therefore, Jesus became The Lamb selected on the 10th by Jerusalem.

Hope this helps

Shalom

Now this thread is getting interesting.

 

[HARK!]

Calculating the Jewish calendar back we get the following examples of weekdays that falls on the 14th. (I am not claiming it's accurate)

27 AD the 14th fell on a Thursday.
28 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
29 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
30 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
31 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
32 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
33 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
34 AD the 14th fell on a Wednesday

Where did you source this; and why did you provide a disclaimer regarding its' accuracy?

 

[HARK!]

Now this thread is getting interesting.

If we work together; we might be able to really get somewhere with this.

I started a thread here, where 7th day sabbath keepers can discuss this privately:

Did Yahshua Rise on the 7th Day Shabbat...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

During the Passover, we have three days that qualify as a day of Preparation. The 14th, Friday and the 20th.

The 14th was eliminated by Matthew, Mark and Luke quoted above, leaving only the weekly Sabbath that falls on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the Annual preparation day of the 20th.

Now, which one is it?

I find it interesting that people always focus on explaining how Jesus fulfilled the Pesach, but how did He complete the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits?

Now before you just dismiss this, this was actually part of the ancient church orders around 230 AD and can be found in the Didascalia, and therefore is historically supported, unlike today.

Not sure how you jumped to this conclusion, therefore cannot help you?

By the way, Jesus also completed the requirement of being the Lamb that had to be selected on the 10th.

John 12:1 Six days before the Passover,

Counting back from the 15th the first day of the Passover week takes us back to the 9th.

Verse 2, “So they gave a dinner”, which meant that evening which is now the 10th day in the evening.

Verse 3, Mary, therefore, took a pound of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

Here Jesus was anointed on the evening of the 10th as our Lamb!

Verse 12 The next day (the day part of the 10th) the large crowd that had come to the feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. 13 So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”

Therefore, Jesus became The Lamb selected on the 10th by Jerusalem.

Hope this helps

Shalom

He was selected as the lamb 4 days before Pesakh (the 14th), he would have died on the 14th, not the 20th or whenever. If you read the Greek, the day of preparation is ONLY on Friday...the preparation for the weekly Sabbath. BTW, the Didascalia (chapter XXI) says "In the tenth of the moon, on Monday, came the priests and the elders to the court of Kaipha, the high priest, and took counsel to kill Him. Herod commanded that he should be crucified, and our Saviour suffered for us on Friday" (which would be the 14th on Pesakh). And when it dawned on Friday, they accused Him much before Pilate, yet they could show nothing true, but they brought false witness against Him. And they asked Him from Pilate, to put Him to death, and they crucified Him on Friday."

 

[Filippus]

He was selected as the lamb 4 days before Pesakh (the 14th), he would have died on the 14th, not the 20th or whenever. If you read the Greek, the day of preparation is ONLY on Friday...the preparation for the weekly Sabbath. BTW, the Didascalia (chapter XXI) says "In the tenth of the moon, on Monday, came the priests and the elders to the court of Kaipha, the high priest, and took counsel to kill Him. Herod commanded that he should be crucified, and our Saviour suffered for us on Friday" (which would be the 14th on Pesakh). And when it dawned on Friday, they accused Him much before Pilate, yet they could show nothing true, but they brought false witness against Him. And they asked Him from Pilate, to put Him to death, and they crucified Him on Friday."

 

[HARK!]

I find it interesting that people always focus on explaining how Jesus fulfilled the Pesach, but how did He complete the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits?

I posted a thread regarding a potential relationship of Bikkurim here: Bikkurim at the center of Hag Matzot

It seems to have left everyone speechless.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

yes the only thing different from my scenario is that it said they ate the Passover days earlier...but WHO ate it days earlier?

"And the priests and elders commanded that they should keep the feast with haste, that they might take Him without tumult for the people of Jerusalem were occupied in the sacrifice and the eating of the Passover, and all the people from without had not yet come, because they deceived them about the days, that they might be reproved before God that they were greatly mistaken in everything. So they anticipated and kept the Passover three days earlier, in the eleventh of the moon on Tuesday; for they said, because that all the people go astray after Him, now that we have the opportunity to take Him; and then when all the people have come, we will kill Him before all men for His fault, and this will be known openly, and all the people will turn from after Him. Thus in the night Judas delivered up our Lord, but they had given the reward to Judas when he covenanted with them on the tenth of the moon on Monday. Therefore it was considered by God, as if they had taken Him from Monday, and they accomplished their deed on Friday, as it was said in the Book of Exodus, "The Passover shall be kept by you from the tenth to the fourteenth, and then all Israel shall keep the Passover."

 

[Filippus]

Where did you source this; and why did you provide a disclaimer regarding its' accuracy?

The Calendar Restoration Project is a historical work in progress to restore the Creation Calendar of Scripture. Based on the whole counsel of Scripture, it is evident that the Creation Calendar is a 7000 year calendar modeled on the seven days of creation. It is composed of 140 Jubilee Cycles of 50 years. In Genesis 6:3, יהוה seems to indicate that the Millennial Sabbath and the Age of Life with יהושע the Messiah will begin after 120 Jubilee Years.

We believe the Sabbaths, New Moons, Appointed Times and Festivals of יהוה have been correctly restored. We also believe that this site correctly teaches how to determine the Hebrew Hour, Hebrew Day, Hebrew Month and Hebrew Year.

This website is currently calibrated to 3980 B.C.E. as the year of creation. This was the theory of Theodore Bibliander (1509-1564) which we now believe to be incorrect. We are still seeking revelation on the true epoch of creation, and will re-calibrate the site as soon as it becomes possible.

By entering this website you acknowledge that the date posted for the epoch of creation is provisional, and is conditional upon historical proof which is not yet published.

 

[HARK!]

The Calendar Restoration Project is a historical work in progress to restore the Creation Calendar of Scripture. Based on the whole counsel of Scripture, it is evident that the Creation Calendar is a 7000 year calendar modeled on the seven days of creation. It is composed of 140 Jubilee Cycles of 50 years. In Genesis 6:3, יהוה seems to indicate that the Millennial Sabbath and the Age of Life with יהושע the Messiah will begin after 120 Jubilee Years.

We believe the Sabbaths, New Moons, Appointed Times and Festivals of יהוה have been correctly restored. We also believe that this site correctly teaches how to determine the Hebrew Hour, Hebrew Day, Hebrew Month and Hebrew Year.

This website is currently calibrated to 3980 B.C.E. as the year of creation. This was the theory of Theodore Bibliander (1509-1564) which we now believe to be incorrect. We are still seeking revelation on the true epoch of creation, and will re-calibrate the site as soon as it becomes possible.

By entering this website you acknowledge that the date posted for the epoch of creation is provisional, and is conditional upon historical proof which is not yet published.

I had to jump through some hoops to find it; but I assume that this is the site you are speaking of:

TorahCalendar.com

I've added to my notes for reference.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How confident are you in Friday being the 14th?

How certain are you in Friday being the preparation day linked to His crucifixion?

Calculating the Jewish calendar back we get the following examples of weekdays that falls on the 14th. (I am not claiming it's accurate)

27 AD the 14th fell on a Thursday.
28 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
29 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
30 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
31 AD the 14th fell on a Tuesday
32 AD the 14th fell on a Monday
33 AD the 14th fell on a Friday
34 AD the 14th fell on a Wednesday

Or do you support the Essenes calendar who celebrates the 14th on a Tuesday?

How confident are you the Jews in biblical times used Astronomical reckonings which you provided above? The history of the Jewish calendar is divided into three periods— (1) the Biblical, the (2) Talmudic, and the (3) post-Talmudic. The biblical calendar rested purely on the observation of the sun and the moon, the second on observation and reckoning, the third entirely on reckoning. The Talmudic period did not start until late in the second century. This means the time of Christ was clearly in the Biblical period of the Jewish calendar and its construction rested purely on the observation of the sun and the moon through visual observation. Hence the Jews used a visual sighting for the waxing crescent of the moon to determine the first day of their calendar month depending on how clear the day was varied from 1-3.5 days. The Astronomical reckonings as we have them today that you provided in your post uses the moon in conjunction not the visual sighting of the crescent. What this means is that only Astronomical new moons that you have presented can be found through computation while in biblical sighting of the crescent new moons could only be done through visual observation of the crescent moon which had a 1-3.5 day variation of sighting times. Just some food for thought as we are not able to calculate what they observed so perhaps there is nothing you have posted here that is set in concrete.

Take Care.

 

[Filippus]

The 16th would be Yom haBikkurim (day of first fruits). He died on Pesakh with the rest of the lambs, He rested on Shabbat in the tomb and rose on the 1st day of the week (on the 3rd day). BTW, I am a member of that ancient Church...

The commencement of this Counting of the Omer was marked in Temple times by the bringing of the Omer offering and ended 50 days later with the festival of Shavuot, as described in the Book of Leviticus:

“You shall count from the day after (morrow) the Sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf (Omer, tied bundle of grain) of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete Sabbaths (seven full weeks). You shall count fifty days to the day(morrow) after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord... and you shall proclaim on this very day, it shall be a holy convocation for you.” (Leviticus 23:15-16,21).

Late in the Second Temple period, there was a famous debate between the three different Jewish factions about the meaning of the Hebrew phrase “morrow of the Sabbath (the day after the Sabbath)” and hence about the timing of Shavuot.

The three factions were the Pharisees who wrote the Mishnah and the Talmud, the Essenes who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Sadducees who made up the Temple Priesthood.

All three factions agreed that the “day after the Sabbath” was associated with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the problem was identifying which “Sabbath day” during the feast of Unleavened Bread, the text was referring to.

Subsequently, the start of the Counting of the Omer is highly contested and led to the festival being observed on different days, four Sabbath days occur during the feast of Unleavened Bread.

The Pharisees argued that Shavuot is to be counted from the first day (15th day of Abib) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is designated as a “Sabbath.”

According to the Pharisees and their modern-day successors the Orthodox rabbis, morrow of the Sabbath” means the morrow of the 1st day of Unleavened Bread and therefore falls on the 16th.

They begin the 50-day count to Shavuot always on the second day of Unleavened Bread, which is the 16th day of the First Hebrew Month.

The result is that the Pharisees Shavuot always falls between the 5th to the 7th day of the Third Hebrew Month (Sivan).

The Pharisees became the predominant surviving faction, after the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. among the Jewish leadership and their interpretation is followed by most Jews today and therefore also the most predominant voice and opinion on this matter today, but does not necessarily imply correctness!

The Pharisee interpretation of the starting “Sabbath” of Leviticus 23:15, creates a bigger problem when it comes to the end of the 50-day count. Leviticus 23:16 says,

“Until the morrow of the seventh Sabbath shall you count fifty days.”

Consequently, the Pharisee Shavuot is rarely the “morrow of the Seventh Sabbath” as required by Leviticus 23:16. Again confirming it NOT being supported by Scripture, remember the feast of weeks being a formula, it fails the test!

To understand the phrase “morrow of the Passover” we need to define two terms: “morrow” and “Passover.”

The Hebrew word for “morrow” is mi-mocharat which refers to “the morning after.”

The phrase “morrow of the Sabbath” describes Sunday morning, the morning after the 24-hour Sabbath.

Confirmation of the meaning of the phrase “morrow of the Passover” can be found in a verse in the Book of Numbers:

“And they travelled from Ramesses in the first month on the fifteenth of the month; on the morrow of the Passover the children of Israel went out with a high hand in the eyes of all Egypt.” - Numbers 33:3

This verse describes the day of the Exodus from Egypt as both the 15th of the First Hebrew Month and as the “morrow of the Passover.”

This only proves the Pharisee interpretation of Leviticus 23:15 to be wrong.

This actually presents the evidence to show how they mistakenly interpreted the wrong starting “Sabbath” to the counting of the Omer, leading them to the 49th day that also proved NOT to be a Sabbath. This alone is enough evidence to correct the starting point of the count.

15 You will count off for yourselves from the morrow after the first sabbath, from the day you bring the sheaf of the wave offering: there shall be seven flawless sabbaths. 16 Until the morrow after the seventh sabbath you shall count off fifty days; then you will bring near an approach present of new grain to Yahweh.

The confusion is cleared up when we trust the Scripture, not the Pharisees.

It is important to highlight the fact that they are confusing the two offerings, first the offering brought by the people and secondly the offering brought by the priest.

You shall not eat any bread or roasted grain or new growth, until this same day when you bring in the offering to your God; it is a permanent statute throughout your generations wherever you may be. Leviticus 23:14

Here the people are instructed to bring in their offering and is completed the moment it is given to the priests and from Joshua 5:11 it is clear that this occurred before the 15th, freeing them to eat the new harvest, this included the priests in their unofficial capacity on Passover. Celebrating Passover with new produce.

The instruction for the priest to wave the Omer, which took place on the “morrow of the Sabbath,” the day after the weekly Sabbath, from that day the priest brought in the sheaf (Omer, tied bundle of grain) of the wave offering; Must lead to the correct seventh Sabbath.

He (the priest) shall wave the sheaf before the Lord so that you may be accepted; the priest shall wave it on the day after the Sabbath. Leviticus 23:11

Now the count starts and there shall be seven complete Sabbaths (seven full weeks).

… there shall be seven complete Sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. Leviticus 23:15-16

This day clearly MUST be on the first day of the week or Sunday, if not it fails!

Only now do the calendrical dates line up and the other three witnesses (Sadducees, Essenes and now Christians) confirm this to be the first day of the week or Sunday.

Jesus the final confirmation who rose on the first day of the week or Sunday, the morrow of the Sabbath, starting the count and confirming the correct day for the Firstfruits feast.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead, the Firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the Firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

So no it's not the 16th.

Trusting this will help.

Shalom