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Staying on topic 2 Corinthians 11and Galatians 1, and Colossians 2. Paul clearly shows the deception to fear. Workers (ministers) of righteousness. Satan transforms himself into a angel of light. Its subtly introduced to get you to look at yourself. Not the finished work of the cross. He knows most believers won't rob a bank. But bewitches you to look at yourself, and not the cross. May even toss a miracle into the mix.

Grace to you.

True. When one's eyes are on Jesus they generally do not stumble. When we're stumbling around it's because our eyes are on ourselves and not HIM.
 
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You said that those who talk grace are very deceptive. We have read that we advocate for sin, believe that we should not be holy.

I did not say that. I said there are "some" and then I said in regards to you specifically, that "maybe you don't but there are some who do".

There is someone in particular I'm thinking about but they have not posted in here and I would not see it anyway 'cause I've blocked them. It's a false teaching they are teaching and I don't care to see it.
 
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It is devastating the point that people will go to to twist words. It makes me sad. :(

According to you, people who live in the grace of God

1. Love sin
2. Resist the Holy Spirit
3. Resist attempts to grow in Christ
4. Resist any need or desire to repent
5. Deceive others and lead them to eternal damnation in hell

Now that is how you insult another Christian so it hurts. :( You covered our entire faith in those few sentences. How do you stay here and conversate with us if you feel this way?
That's not what I said. It is what you said I say. I say that true grace enables us to walk out of our sins, and ever nearer to God. The grace that the Bible describes empowers those who will walk in it to abound in every good work. That's not what I say, it's what the Bible says. Yeah, I know that doesn't align with what some frogs teach here, but it's not the Bible that's wrong.
 
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Yes, but in real life if we, even those of us who call ourselves Christians, continue to love our sin and resist the Spirit He will not continue to contend against us. This "grace" that is discussed on here that protests any amount of yielding to the Spirit is not grace it is resisting God's promptings to repent and grow, and in this particular analogy the toy frog either never makes it to the prince stage, or remains the small undeveloped prince for the remainder of his life on this Earth. The frog who continues to deceive and to be deceived is in jeopardy of eternal peril.​

It is devastating the point that people will go to to twist words. It makes me sad. :(

According to you, people who live in the grace of God

1. Love sin
2. Resist the Holy Spirit
3. Resist attempts to grow in Christ
4. Resist any need or desire to repent
5. Deceive others and lead them to eternal damnation in hell

Now that is how you insult another Christian so it hurts. :( You covered our entire faith in those few sentences. How do you stay here and conversate with us if you feel this way?​

That's not what I said. It is what you said I say. I say that true grace enables us to walk out of our sins, and ever nearer to God. The grace that the Bible describes empowers those who will walk in it to abound in every good work. That's not what I say, it's what the Bible says. Yeah, I know that doesn't align with what some frogs teach here, but it's not the Bible that's wrong.

I took the wording exactly from your post. Re-read it yourself. You wrote it. False, False, False, False.
 
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you go girl!:clap:
 
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And one of the devil's greatest tactics is fear. When we are in the gospel of His grace, we have no fear. We can truly do the Lord's work as He calls us to do. We are not off trying to impress God or working to keep our salvation. When we 'try' to be holy, we are off doing what we think God wants us to do. We are using our time, focused on ourselves asking 'are we good enough'? Will God forgive me? What if I do that again?

Our focus then is back on us. It's a circle and their is no escape from it, if you are always trying to keep your salvation. The devil can have his way with you and he will. Reminding you of every doubt you've ever had.

Not for me anymore. That is not being led by God. Being led by God is when we are letting Him drive the bus.

You go girl!:clap:
 
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Hi,
The striking irony I see is a few that wrangle against grace. Have no problem with letting coarse communication flow. This is a indicator of a lack of grace. So I won't go to far with this because his grace is restraining me.

Grace to you.

You go dude!:clap:
 
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Hi,
Staying on topic 2 Corinthians 11and Galatians 1, and Colossians 2. Paul clearly shows the deception to fear. Workers (ministers) of righteousness. Satan transforms himself into a angel of light. Its subtly introduced to get you to look at yourself. Not the finished work of the cross. He knows most believers won't rob a bank. But bewitches you to look at yourself, and not the cross. May even toss a miracle into the mix.

Grace to you.

Here is the flaw in that argument. The word DOES teach that we are to examine our lives, our faith, and what we are producing from that walks. It DOES say that if we judge ourselves, we will not be judged.

You say men (like me, I would suppose) are getting people to get their eyes on themselves. Is that based on the assumption that all previosuly had our eyes on Jesus alone?

Is this the case? If the truth rises to the surfuace and it will eventually, right now, most are not looking at themselves for a spiritual check-up, but living unto themselves instead. In these last days, we are the blessed generation in the church that is to usher in our king. We are not ready. God is trying to lovingly get their attention that it is the desires of our hearts that will determine our path. God wants us holy and pure, filled with love and the other fruits of the Spirit. We have been raised another way. God will not change, so we must. Not fun to admit to at first that we need more, for our pride is offended and we bristle at the nerve of someone putting their finger on our need.but God is doing it for OUR blessing, not our hurt. Despite our protests, God will continue to go about awakening us to His will for us, which is a GOOD will, where we know how to possess our vessels in sanctification and honor, in full victory over the world the flesh and the devil...overcomers. THAT is where we are headed, praise God!

God looks at our hearts, our motives, not our words, nor our actions. The heart. Does our heart beat for Jesus and His kingdom? Do we long to be holy, to please Him with our lives? Do we believe it is even possible?

Am I trying to get people to search their hearts, to make them guilty, to bring them low, to condemn them? Hogwash. I am doing it because God has told me to share His heart for us, that it is for us, but it cannot come upon us until we are totally transparent to Him, and listening to His voice, willing To be made willing.

IF we will examine our hearts and judge ourselves in need, admitting to our Heavenly Father with tears if needed that we are still hungry and not satisfied, still thirsty and not quenched, still walking with self on the throne but with God as our second in command, still vulnerable to sin and not caring about it as much as we once did, still fleshly and not walking as overcomers, THEN we are prepared for our miracle as we fully.... FULLY... look unto Jesus to save us from US. He will. He will come in, abide IN us, and drive the old us OUT. The, inside us, He will grow our holy character outward where it will show for all to see in a greater and greater way.

A new day is dawning. The bride is waking up.

Blessings,

Gideon
 
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It is devastating the point that people will go to to twist words. It makes me sad. :(

According to you, people who live in the grace of God

1. Love sin
2. Resist the Holy Spirit
3. Resist attempts to grow in Christ
4. Resist any need or desire to repent
5. Deceive others and lead them to eternal damnation in hell

Now that is how you insult another Christian so it hurts. :( You covered our entire faith in those few sentences. How do you stay here and conversate with us if you feel this way?​
I took the wording exactly from your post. Re-read it yourself. You wrote it. False, False, False, False.
I did reread it, maybe you should do the same. I don't want to address you directly, but you seem to be misinterpreting my post and I want to try to clear that up. Someone who has now left this forum, but who is quite respected by most here, once said he has found that offence is usually not given, but taken. If your definition of grace does not fit what I described then let it roll by. If your definition of grace fits what I described it is not really grace and you need to check the Biblical context of the word grace and put down the calvinist commentaries, because they're killing you.

I'm not out to hurt anyone, but if someone insists on being hurt I can't do anything about that.
 
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Thank you for restraining from further comment.

For those just joining the thread, the topic of this thread is not grace, but deception.

(see post #1)

Well, it is about grace, because I show what the deception is. We must have textual deifnitions.

Ok, you mentioned about the slow boil of a cute little frog.:o

So I showed how so far, 3 books, show the deception, was to take churches from the gosepl of grace.

Ok, now, the OP implies that the slow boil was part of the problem.

But the thing is, the evil boilers of frogs, were those who led the church from grace, hence, I established just what eht deception is. And it was incremental boiling.:D

Ok, now you implied a slow boil, a slow deception.

Look at the DRIFT word, in the Greek, it implies to slooowly leave something, in the Hebrews case, it was the gospel of grace that they slowly drifted from, as the legalists slowly put the frogs into water.:doh:


Four books now, show what the depeption is, drifting from grace! I establshed definitions, on this topic.


Drit makes us think of a slow going thing, a boat does not drift instanly, we should not boil a frog slowly, hence to drift from grace.:)

Hebrews 2:2 Therefore we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.

So again, the deception of the devil, the OP topic, was to slowly boil the cute little frogs from grace.

Thanks, rib-it.:)
 
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There is a particular "grace" message being taught by some here that is very deficient in it's backup of scripture. Of course we are saved by grace, not works. However, our works are to show the faith that we have due to HIS grace, not defy it.

The deception is that we can just go about living our lives as our flesh desires and reap no negative repercussion. I personally think that most of the negative things that affect us are our own doing, not the devils...as so many like to blame it all on him.

No sin has dominion under self effort, not grace.:)


Rom 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

The deception in Galatia, was to have them leave grace, we must establish definitions on threads. What was the deception in Galatia?:cool:

Gal l 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
 
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No one who believes in grace says the 'we can just go about living our lives as our flesh desires and reap no negative repercussion'?

Why don't you go back and find the post where someone has said that? You can attach a url link and we can all see it.

Back up what you say with some PROOF or is the truth that foreign?

I will say it is a blessing to know how these people feel about us. Now I see where all the hate is coming from. I'd rather know who thinks I'm the enemy, than have a bunch of poser's posing as brothers and sisters in Christ.

The TRUTH shall set us FREE!

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If there is doubt about what the new grace teachers believe, then let us clarify finally. Would that not make it clear so there is no misunderstandings that could inflame the issues? I would love to hear clear concise answers to these three questions.

1) IF we sin, is repentance called for, or does grace cover that and the state of our heart doesn't affect our walk with God?

2) If we refuse to repent, does this place us in any spiritual danger, or does grace cover that and kmake it a none issue?

3) Can continuing in unrepentant sin harden us to the point we are actually lost, reprobate, returning to the vomit, or is that impossible because of grace?


To make it clearer, as an example, if a man is saved, then falls back into adultery, and the Lord deals with him but he refuses to stop, is that man going to experience heavens glory because of a one-time prayer and the grace that allows it?

This ought to clarify for all since it seems there is a lot of misunderstanding here.

I do not believe that any who adhere to this belief will immediately go out and live in a evil manner. I do, however, say there is danger here. Satan is much more subtle. Ask Samson. But unrepented of sin will lead to hardness of heart for the Word says so very clearly and tells us to beware. Sin can always be repented of, but a hard heart gets to the point where it does not WANT to repent and that is the danger seen here.

Is that a fair request?

If Frog and Onlybygrace would answer these for me as to their understanding of grace, it would certain make everyone know exactly where they stand.

Blessings,

Gideon

You are the king of adding on to what people say. You are the king pot stirrer. The king of the AND/OR (see red above for three examples and the black bold above in your questions) ect.

There is no question when each question has 4 or 5 possible scenarios. You setup your posts to not have a concise answer. Irritated with the lies.
 
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Unless the Laodecians and the Sardinians listened to the Spirit of God and examined themselves to see if what God was accusing them of was truth, how could they ever repent and come back fully to God? But they had painted themselves into a corner, totally sure that they were pleasing God, refusing to even acknowledge the possibility that they could not be being deceived.

* Sorry, OP, I know this has drifted slightly off topic, so I hope this re-rails it. It is a good subject in need of discussion.

Blessings,

Gideon
 
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Hello ToBeBlessed.

I believe Spiritpsalmist is saying that the message of grace can be taken to such an extreme that people are cavalier about sin, thinking that whatever, God will cover it.

The bible addresses this question:

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

(Romans 6:1)

It's an inference that the Apostle Paul drew as well.

God Bless You:)

Of course:thumbsup:, yes, but the answer to the sin problem in Romans was grace.:)

Actually your post proves the point, in your quote, Paul was answering the same false accusations the grace people here on our forum get, like we preach sin!

So for 2000 years now, people try to deceive others, by saying we preach sin, I DO NOT MEAN YOU, I mean others on the forum, all the way back to Paul's day.

Again, no, I do not mean you.:)

So we see again, the devil attacked Paul, by deceiving (OP) topic his churches, that Paul said...


Rom 3:8 And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.

But in the end, their condemnation, the frog boilers would be just.:D
 
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Examine yourself to see if you're in the faith. What does it mean? There's a few areas, but all central to the saviours ministry at Calvary. Obedience to the faith is not a set of rules. Paul covers clearly the subject in Romans. In the faith (when Christ cried its finished, do I really believe it, do I really believe Christ has made me righteous, do I really believe there's no condemnation in Christ Jesus) Because if I really believe this my flesh will have a party. I must be confident of these truths to walk in the Spirit. Because the works of the flesh follow those who are ignorant, or willfully reject those truths.

Grace to you.
 
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Maybe for YOU it does not advocate sin, but there are some here where it does. I think that most desire to stop sinning. But by some of the threads on this forum, I'd say that many do not even know what God calls sin. There are also many who once they see sin in their lives they don't know how to get rid of it. It's all right in the scriptures, old and new.

Red above, who, where? Proof? Please post a link, thanks!
 
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Unless the Laodecians and the Sardinians listened to the Spirit of God and examined themselves to see if what God was accusing them of was truth, how could they ever repent and come back fully to God? But they had painted themselves into a corner, totally sure that they were pleasing God, refusing to even acknowledge the possibility that they could not be being deceived.

* Sorry, OP, I know this has drifted slightly off topic, so I hope this re-rails it. It is a good subject in need of discussion.

Blessings,

Gideon

Please try to se that the Laodecians are not everyone:D, thanks!

Luv ya!:wave:
 
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