Parable of The Boiled Frog ...

[jiminpa]

In order for the frog to turn into a prince, it had to be submerged in water and go through a transformation. Maybe I’m stretching it, but think of that as being like a baptism of faith. The “frog” starts transformation once baptism of Christ takes place. Then a prince that was hidden is revealed, and by the transforming power of the Holy Spirit he grows. Just like us before Christ (the frog), we accept Christ, we become baby Christians (prince), and by the power of the Holy Spirit, we grow to be mature Christians (full grown prince). Of course, the process with the toy in the jar all happens within a few days, but for us, the process takes much longer.

Ace of Grace | Afire Within

Yes, but in real life if we, even those of us who call ourselves Christians, continue to love our sin and resist the Spirit He will not continue to contend against us. This "grace" that is discussed on here that protests any amount of yielding to the Spirit is not grace it is resisting God's promptings to repent and grow, and in this particular analogy the toy frog either never makes it to the prince stage, or remains the small undeveloped prince for the remainder of his life on this Earth. The frog who continues to deceive and to be deceived is in jeopardy of eternal peril.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Yes, but in real life if we, even those of us who call ourselves Christians, continue to love our sin and resist the Spirit He will not continue to contend against us. This "grace" that is discussed on here that protests any amount of yielding to the Spirit is not grace it is resisting God's promptings to repent and grow, and in this particular analogy the toy frog either never makes it to the prince stage, or remains the small undeveloped prince for the remainder of his life on this Earth. The frog who continues to deceive and to be deceived is in jeopardy of eternal peril.

It is devastating the point that people will go to to twist words. It makes me sad.

According to you, people who live in the grace of God

1. Love sin
2. Resist the Holy Spirit
3. Resist attempts to grow in Christ
4. Resist any need or desire to repent
5. Deceive others and lead them to eternal damnation in hell

Now that is how you insult another Christian so it hurts. You covered our entire faith in those few sentences. How do you stay here and conversate with us if you feel this way?

 

[turned around]

Hi,
The striking irony I see is a few that wrangle against grace. Have no problem with letting coarse communication flow. This is a indicator of a lack of grace. So I won't go to far with this because his grace is restraining me.

Grace to you.

 

[Armoured]

Just a quick life pro tip for you guys. Rather than mucking around with boiling frogs, you get a much more satisfying result gluing them to train tracks. Cyanoacrylate works best. But make sure you look around carefully for any trains in the area! Safety first!

 

[mourningdove~]

The striking irony I see is a few that wrangle against grace. Have no problem with letting coarse communication flow. This is a indicator of a lack of grace. So I won't go to far with this because his grace is restraining me.

Thank you for restraining from further comment.

For those just joining the thread, the topic of this thread is not grace, but deception.
(see post #1)

 

[mourningdove~]

Once we have left using the Bible as our measuring stick for what is correct and what is not, it increases our chances of deception greatly.

I very much agree.

God's Word is a lamp unto our feet, and a light unto our path.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Thank you for restraining from further comment.

For those just joining the thread, the topic of this thread is not grace, but deception.
(see post #1)

If grace is being called deception, specifically deception that is leading some to hell, it is relevant. kthxbai

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Yes, but in real life if we, even those of us who call ourselves Christians, continue to love our sin and resist the Spirit He will not continue to contend against us. This "grace" that is discussed on here that protests any amount of yielding to the Spirit is not grace it is resisting God's promptings to repent and grow, and in this particular analogy the toy frog either never makes it to the prince stage, or remains the small undeveloped prince for the remainder of his life on this Earth. The frog who continues to deceive and to be deceived is in jeopardy of eternal peril.

In your opinion, who is the father of grace believers? The Lord or satan? A man cannot serve two masters.

Get it all out so we know who we really are.

 

[lismore]

We know that in the last days the love of many will grow cold.

Just like the parable of the frog, we should not allow our love to grow cold but rather share God's love with everyone. Every person, even the lowliest on earth is infinitely precious to God.

We can read of the good samaritan who went out of his way to help a person from a hostile group and we can read of many who said they visited a church and didn't receive a welcome.

As the word says, the end of all things is near, therefore let us serve wholeheartedly.

A big challenge

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

There is a particular "grace" message being taught by some here that is very deficient in it's backup of scripture. Of course we are saved by grace, not works. However, our works are to show the faith that we have due to HIS grace, not defy it.

The deception is that we can just go about living our lives as our flesh desires and reap no negative repercussion. I personally think that most of the negative things that affect us are our own doing, not the devils...as so many like to blame it all on him.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

There is a particular "grace" message being taught by some here that is very deficient in it's backup of scripture. Of course we are saved by grace, not works. However, our works are to show the faith that we have due to HIS grace, not defy it.

The deception is that we can just go about living our lives as our flesh desires and reap no negative repercussion. I personally think that most of the negative things that affect us are our own doing, not the devils...as so many like to blame it all on him.

No one who believes in grace says the 'we can just go about living our lives as our flesh desires and reap no negative repercussion'?

Why don't you go back and find the post where someone has said that? You can attach a url link and we can all see it.

Back up what you say with some PROOF or is the truth that foreign?

I will say it is a blessing to know how these people feel about us. Now I see where all the hate is coming from. I'd rather know who thinks I'm the enemy, than have a bunch of poser's posing as brothers and sisters in Christ.

The TRUTH shall set us FREE!

 

[lismore]

No one who believes in grace says the 'we can just go about living our lives as our flesh desires and reap no negative repercussion'?

Why don't you go back and find the post where someone has said that? You can attach a url link and we can all see it.

Back up what you say with some PROOF or is the truth that foreign?

Hello ToBeBlessed.

I believe Spiritpsalmist is saying that the message of grace can be taken to such an extreme that people are cavalier about sin, thinking that whatever, God will cover it.

The bible addresses this question:

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

(Romans 6:1)

It's an inference that the Apostle Paul drew as well.

God Bless You

 

[gideons300]

The devil has to deceive people, and he fears grace, so he deceives them into thinking they are better off without that "awful" thing, called grace.

In their past, the Galatians were very into spells, and the "evil eye" thing, here Paul shows how the devil did indeed deceive the church, he put a spell on them. The spell was not to get them into grace, nope, away from it, because grace is Jesus! So the spell was the deception, and as they left Christ, like the little frog in the boiling water, the incremental drift, was from grace, so again, beware the devil, attacking grace, that is the deception in the text.


New International Version
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

New Living Translation
Oh, foolish Galatians! Who has cast an evil spell on you? For the meaning of Jesus Christ's death was made as clear to you as if you had seen a picture of his death on the cross.



Holman Christian Standard Bible
You foolish Galatians! Who has hypnotized you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified?

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Well, let us be honest then. Do you think I am saying grace is an awful thing and inferring it about me for readers to be swayed? Am I preaching law? You may think it. Fine. You cannot infer it.
You can believe whatever you want, but it is against forum rules to attack individual members. We are called to, in love, stick to issues discussed and not make it personal.

We could take the time to go through my posts to see where I have ever demanded people go back to rules, or law of any sort. Nor have I ever spoken against grace. NEVER. If you prefer, we will go through my posts together to see how many times I have told people to try harder, or do more. Seeking God's face it not something we DO. It is not a "work". It is a high privilege. It is God's will. It is our calling to keep our hearts soft towards Him.

I guarantee, you will find nothing in this search. Yet if we look together as to how many times I have fully clarified that it is not legalism that I share, but a grace that actually causes us to see our positional holiness grow into REAL holiness, with God causing us to obey,it will be clear to any who really wants the truth that you are twisting the truth to bolster your argument.

So, with that clarified again, and quite clearly, then I ask kindly that you stop inferring that I am a law teacher, or that I am against grace. Neither could be further from the truth. Up till now, over and over, you have inferred it and all know it. It is a rules violation, and one up that from now on I will have to report.

In love, Frog

Gideon

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Hello ToBeBlessed.

I believe Spiritpsalmist is saying that the message of grace can be taken to such an extreme that people are cavalier about sin, thinking that whatever, God will cover it.

The bible addresses this question:

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

(Romans 6:1)

It's an inference that the Apostle Paul drew as well.

God Bless You

And I say to that that these people are lying about us. The message of grace does not advocate for sin.

If individuals what to 'add' to what we are saying, add things that we do not say, those people are 'adding' lies and falsehoods.

I don't need to hear their b.s. but then, if this is then....

Don't put words in our mouths. Stop the lies and deception! Act like Christians and give us the respect we deserve!

Use our EXACT words. No more, no less. I have the Spirit of truth in me, do they?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Now I'm seeing the whole group here, ok time for some proof.

I'm waiting ..............................................................................................

Put up OR shut up, please!

I'm still waiting ....................................................................................................

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Now I'm seeing the whole group here, ok time for some proof.

I'm waiting ..............................................................................................

Proof of what?

 

[turned around]

Hi,
Staying on topic 2 Corinthians 11and Galatians 1, and Colossians 2. Paul clearly shows the deception to fear. Workers (ministers) of righteousness. Satan transforms himself into a angel of light. Its subtly introduced to get you to look at yourself. Not the finished work of the cross. He knows most believers won't rob a bank. But bewitches you to look at yourself, and not the cross. May even toss a miracle into the mix.

Grace to you.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

And I say to that that these people are lying about us. The message of grace does not advocate for sin.

If individuals what to 'add' to what we are saying, add things that we do not say, those people are 'adding' lies and falsehoods.

I don't need to hear their b.s. but then, if this is then....

Don't put words in our mouths. Stop the lies and deception! Act like Christians and give us the respect we deserve!

Use our EXACT words. No more, no less. I have the Spirit of truth in me, do they?

Maybe for YOU it does not advocate sin, but there are some here where it does. I think that most desire to stop sinning. But by some of the threads on this forum, I'd say that many do not even know what God calls sin. There are also many who once they see sin in their lives they don't know how to get rid of it. It's all right in the scriptures, old and new.

 

[gideons300]

No one who believes in grace says the 'we can just go about living our lives as our flesh desires and reap no negative repercussion'?

Why don't you go back and find the post where someone has said that? You can attach a url link and we can all see it.

Back up what you say with some PROOF or is the truth that foreign?

I will say it is a blessing to know how these people feel about us. Now I see where all the hate is coming from. I'd rather know who thinks I'm the enemy, than have a bunch of poser's posing as brothers and sisters in Christ.

The TRUTH shall set us FREE!

If there is doubt about what the new grace teachers believe, then let us clarify finally. Would that not make it clear so there is no misunderstandings that could inflame the issues? I would love to hear clear concise answers to these three questions.

1) IF we sin, is repentance called for, or does grace cover that and the state of our heart doesn't affect our walk with God?

2) If we refuse to repent, does this place us in any spiritual danger, or does grace cover that and kmake it a none issue?

3) Can continuing in unrepentant sin harden us to the point we are actually lost, reprobate, returning to the vomit, or is that impossible because of grace?

To make it clearer, as an example, if a man is saved, then falls back into adultery, and the Lord deals with him but he refuses to stop, is that man going to experience heavens glory because of a one-time prayer and the grace that allows it?

This ought to clarify for all since it seems there is a lot of misunderstanding here.

I do not believe that any who adhere to this belief will immediately go out and live in a evil manner. I do, however, say there is danger here. Satan is much more subtle. Ask Samson. But unrepented of sin will lead to hardness of heart for the Word says so very clearly and tells us to beware. Sin can always be repented of, but a hard heart gets to the point where it does not WANT to repent and that is the danger seen here.

Is that a fair request?

If Frog and Onlybygrace would answer these for me as to their understanding of grace, it would certain make everyone know exactly where they stand.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Proof of what?

You said that those who talk grace are very deceptive. We have read that we advocate for sin, believe that we should not be holy.

I want you guys to go back into our posts and find it. Show me proof that I wrote that. I'm sick of hearing it. Sick of seeing it written. Go back and show me! I probably have 300 posts on here in 4 months, shouldn't be hard to find if I said it, right?

Why respond to a specific person if your adding a bunch of extras to the response. If it doesn't pertain or is not in direct contradiction to the poster, why then is it a reply to a specific post?

A post can stand alone. Instead of pressing 'Reply' you choose 'Add new post'. See, not hard.

I get more respect from my teenagers than from many of you. Pfft.

We need the mind of Christ AND the Holy Spirit to keep our cool around here with all the falsehoods and additions to our words.