Paid According to Our Work

[HARK!]

(CLV) Ro 2:4
Or are you despising the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, being ignorant that the kindness of God is leading you to repentance?

(CLV) Ro 2:5
Yet, in accord with your hardness and unrepentant heart you are hoarding for yourself indignation in the day of indignation and revelation of the just judgment of God,

(CLV) Ro 2:6
Who will be paying each one in accord with his acts (εργα):

Our acts? Let's take a closer look at this word.

We see James using the same word here:

(CLV) Ja 1:25
Now he who peers into the perfect law, that of freedom, and abides, not becoming a forgetful listener, but a doer of the work, this one will be happy in his doing.

...and here:

(CLV) Ja 2:14
What is the benefit, my brethren, if anyone should be saying he has faith, yet may have no works? That faith can not save him.

(CLV) Ro 2:7
to those, indeed, who by endurance in good acts are seeking glory and honor and incorruption, life eonian;

(CLV) Ro 2:8
yet to those of faction and stubborn, indeed, as to the truth, yet persuaded to injustice, indignation and fury,

(CLV) Ro 2:9
affliction and distress, on every human soul which is effecting evil, both of the Jew first and of the Greek,

(CLV) Ro 2:10
yet glory and honor and peace to every worker of good, both to the Jew first, and to the Greek.

(CLV) Ro 2:11
For there is not partiality with God,

(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Hebrews 11:6
6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

When we believe that God is who He says He is, and that He rewards us for finding out who He says He is, then we have pleased God.

 

[HARK!]

Hebrews 11:6
6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

When we believe that God is who He says He is, and that He rewards us for finding out who He says He is, then we have pleased God.

What does this have to do with the OP?

(CLV) Hb 11:7
By faith Noah, being apprized concerning that which is not as yet being observed, being pious, constructs an ark for the salvation of his house, through which he condemns the world, and became an enjoyer of the allotment of the righteousness which accords with faith.

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS


(CLV) Hb 11:8
By faith Abraham, being called, obeys, coming out into the place which he was about to obtain to enjoy as an allotment, and came out, not versed in where he is coming

Paul already helped us out with what faith is, earlier in this letter; as he teaches from the TaNaK.

(CLV) Ro 1:17
For in it God's righteousness is being revealed, out of faith for faith, according as it is written: "Now the just one by faith shall be living."

Where is this written?

(CLV) Hab 2:4
Behold, it is made presumptuous: his soul is not upright in him. Yet the just one by his faith shall live.

Paul teaches of salvation from the TaNaK. So let's take a closer look at the TaNaK.

The just one (וצדיק) Tsadiq (Straight)

Here is what YHWH says of the Tsadiq:

(CLV) Ezk 18:9
He walks in My statutes and observes My ordinances, to do truth; he is righteous (Tsadiq) ; he shall live, yea live, averring is my Lord Yahweh.

Here again Tsadiq is associated with life. This is spiritual life. This is salvation.

Yahshua reiterates his Father's words:

(CLV) Mt 19:17
Yet He said to him, "Why are you asking Me concerning good? One is good. Yet if you are wanting to be entering into life, keep the precepts."

So how does "faith" fit into Habakkuk?

Faith (אמונה) Amunah Firmness

When we hold firm to YHWH's precepts; we will live. This is the Gospel.

Obedience is pretty straightforward.

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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

What does this have to do with the OP?
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Paid according to works, God rewards. James from the op relates to showing others as proof of faith.

 

[HARK!]

Paid according to works, God rewards. James from the op relates to showing others as proof of faith.

I'm having difficulty making sense of this. Maybe you can explain it another way.

 

[Soyeong]

Hebrews 11:6
6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

When we believe that God is who He says He is, and that He rewards us for finding out who He says He is, then we have pleased God.

Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done to earn a wage, however, then can be any number of reasons that someone could choose to do works other than in order to earn a wage that are not incompatible with doing works. In Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faithfulness, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him and Israel too, in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through his law, and John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, which is again salvation by grace through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith, and in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us how to do these works through faith is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation.

Furthermore, there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to him, such as in Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law. In James 2:18, he would show his faith by his works. In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In Hebrews 11, every example of faith is an example of works. In Hebrews 3:18-19, unbelieve is equated with disobedience. In Numbers 5:6, disobedience is referred to as breaking faith. The way that we live testifies about what we believe to be true about the nature of who God is, so the way to believe in who He says He is, such as that He is righteous, is by living in a way that testifies about His righteousness by obeying His law.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I'm having difficulty making sense of this. Maybe you can explain it another way.

James uses the terms works and faith to distinquish that others can see the spiritualization of another. But God sees the heart. I'm not sure I can explain it further than that.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done to earn a wage, however, then can be any number of reasons that someone could choose to do works other than in order to earn a wage that are not incompatible with doing works. In Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faithfulness, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him and Israel too, in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through his law, and John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, which is again salvation by grace through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith, and in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us how to do these works through faith is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation.

Furthermore, there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to him, such as in Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law. In James 2:18, he would show his faith by his works. In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In Hebrews 11, every example of faith is an example of works. In Hebrews 3:18-19, unbelieve is equated with disobedience. In Numbers 5:6, disobedience is referred to as breaking faith. The way that we live testifies about what we believe to be true about the nature of who God is, so the way to believe in who He says He is, such as that He is righteous, is by living in a way that testifies about His righteousness by obeying His law.

Yes but .. I believe the obedience called for is inward and not outward. Yet James again says it is a proof of the inward. Complex subject. I see I landed in a difficult forum to navigate too *-*

 

[HARK!]

God sees the heart. I'm not sure I can explain it further than that.

Here is what YHWH says about the heart:

The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
“I the Lord search the heart and examine the mind,
to reward each person according to their conduct,
according to what their deeds deserve.”Jeremiah 17:9-10

 

[HARK!]

Yes but .. I believe the obedience called for is inward and not outward.

Why do you believe that?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Here is what YHWH says about the heart:

The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
“I the Lord search the heart and examine the mind,
to reward each person according to their conduct,
according to what their deeds deserve.”Jeremiah 17:9-10

I think deeds of the heart is a good explaination.

 

[HARK!]

I think deeds of the heart is a good explaination.

What is a deed of the heart?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Why do you believe that?

For the same reason as above. That it would be a product of law and not of grace.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

What is a deed of the heart?

When we believe that God is who He says He is, and that He rewards us for finding out who He says He is, then we have pleased God.

 

[Soyeong]

Yes but .. I believe the obedience called for is inward and not outward. Yet James again says it is a proof of the inward. Complex subject. I see I landed in a difficult forum to navigate too *-*

What is in our heart is expressed through our actions. God's law is spiritual in that it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and which are aspects of God's nature. For example, God's righteous laws teach us about a spiritual principle of righteousness that leads us to take physical actions that are examples of that principle that are in accordance with what God's law instructs, which can even lead us to do what is righteous in situations that are not specifically prescribed or prohibited by God's law. If someone thought that they understood the spiritual principle of love, so they no longer needed to outwardly love their neighbor, then they would be missing the whole point, so correctly understanding a deeper spiritual principle will never lead us away from taking outward actions that are examples of that principle.

 

[Soyeong]

For the same reason as above. That it would be a product of law and not of grace.

God's righteousness is not opposed to His graciousness, but rather those have always been compatible character traits that He has expressed throughout bot the OT and the NT (Exodus 34:6-7).

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

What is in our heart is expressed through our actions. God's law is spiritual in that it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and which are aspects of God's nature. For example, God's righteous laws teach us about a spiritual principle of righteousness that leads us to take physical actions that are examples of that principle that are in accordance with what God's law instructs, which can even lead us to do what is righteous in situations that are not specifically prescribed or prohibited by God's law. If someone thought that they understood the spiritual principle of love, so they no longer needed to outwardly love their neighbor, then they would be missing the whole point, so correctly understanding a deeper spiritual principle will never lead us away from taking outward actions that are examples of that principle.

I admit there is a fine line between law and grace while what is seen by man is not the same as what God sees and He is the one who rewards.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Works that are not motivated by the Love of Jesus are hay wood and stubble.

That is why 'heart works' are critical.

 

[HARK!]

For the same reason as above. That it would be a product of law and not of grace.

The Torah is of grace.

(CLV) Ps 119:29
Withdraw the false way from me, And favor (חָנַן) me with Your own law.

(חָנַן) Chanan (Grace)

 

[HARK!]

Works that are not motivated by the Love of Jesus are hay wood and stubble.

Here is what Yahshua said about loving him:

(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.