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PA, MI, WI, NC, FL, AZ

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by mark46, Feb 9, 2020.

  1. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Bloomberg is spending hundreds of millions in the general election effort in the these states, six states won my Trump isn 2016. Democrats must defend in MN, CO and NV.

    Taking back PA, MI, and WI and keeping MN, CO and NV is enough to win. AZ is a replacement for WI or MN if the Democrats can win there.

    WHICH DEMOCRAT CAN WIN IN THE RUST BELT?
    IMO, there are two tickets that have a good chance of winning the rust belt: Biden-Klobuchar and Bloomberg-Klobuchar. The ticket would need, and would get, the support of the Obama's in the black communities, especially in Detroit and Philadelphia. I would expect Steyer to agains spend the money he did in 2018. The focus of his money is likely to be on House races, but he would help the ticket by focusing in other states than Bloomberg is focusing.

    Of course, Trump is looking forward to running head-to-head against Sanders or Warren in the Rust Belt. He may very well get his wish.
     
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  2. JohnAshton

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    Bloomberg/Klobuchar would get 400 EV and carry both chambers of Congress.

    That combination would pack SCOTUS with six new judges, and push the NPV through the seven states necessary to gut the EC.
     
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  3. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean by "gut the EC"?
     
  4. Lady Donna Marie

    Lady Donna Marie Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing electoral count? Not sure since I am not a democrat if even that matters for the EC meaning.
     
  5. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Hillary did so bad in Minnesota. Her very slim margin of victory was less than the Independence Party candidate got, and less than the Libertarian Party candidate got. Had there not been a bunch of right of center people who would not vote for Trump she would have LOST Minnesota, the most dedicated of Democratic Party states there is. Maybe that was just because Hillary was so bad, or because she presumed Minnesota had to vote for her, or maybe Minnesota won't be a guaranteed state for the next Democratic Party nominee either.

    I don't think anyone here thinks Klobuchar is that compelling. Not even in her own neck of the woods. I doubt anyone in Wisconsin would be motivated by her at all. IMHO of course.
     
  6. hislegacy

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    Remind me again, what percentage of Democratic voter does Bloomburg have currently? 9%?

    He hasn’t qualified for any debate to date, the DNC had to change the rules (after getting rid of Booker), for him to even continue.

    Who believes he can buy the Presidency?
     
  7. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Electoral college.
     
  8. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Billionaires can buy all sorts of shiny things.

    If given a choice between Bernie and Bloomburg, or Warren and Bloomburg, I think the DNC wants Bloomburg and will change the rules until he is nominated.
     
  9. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    They do keep sending her back to the Senate. However U.S. senators don't do very well in presidential races.
     
  10. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Bloomberg can go toe-to-toe with Trump, but will need to stand on a box to go head-to-head. ^_^
     
  11. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Senators almost always are re-elected. Incumbency is a powerful powerful thing.
     
  12. HTacianas

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    The electoral college part I understood. It's the "gutting" part I'm confused by.
     
  13. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Let's hope so this fall.
     
  14. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    As the poster mentioned the popular vote initiative I'm fairly sure that the "gutting" refers to enough electoral votes being pegged to the national popular vote that it's no longer possible to win the electoral college while losing the popular vote.
     
  15. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And I'd like to see the swamp drained of both big parties. I'm ashamed of both of them. They're (almost) all swamp dwellers.
     
  16. HTacianas

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    I don't see enough States changing their electoral system to get that done.
     
  17. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    why would you support the candidate of a political party that they would change the rules to eliminate (again) the person the voters support to the person they want?

    is that the very definition of election interference?
     
  18. Silmarien

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    Eh... Biden we'll probably tolerate, but if Bloomberg is on the ticket, I think there will be lots of abstentions if not outright protest votes for Trump from the progressive wing of the party.
     
  19. Desk trauma

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    At present the initiative is 74 votes shy of the 270 required. If it would work in practice and what legal issues it may have is yet to be seen.
     
  20. Desk trauma

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    Lack of viable alternatives that I can vote for in good conscience.

    No. The Democratic party gets to do whatever it likes with it's own rules.
     
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