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for the past several years ive struggled with the sin of lustful thoughts. there have been times where i temporarily became free from the sin, but i keep falling back into it. last year i was prayed over (not about this sin specifically, though-just a general prayer about God having more of a presence in my life) and i felt much better after that, because I felt like I could overcome sin, but I quickly backslid back into it. does anybody have advice or me? I feel like I have many things I struggle with spiritually, including a few smaller sins, but this one sin seems the worst, in the sense that it alienates me the most from God. I feel like I have no connection to God currently because of this sin, and I have negative regretful feelings about myself because of that, because I want a connection and relationship with God, and this one sin takes it away from me.
 
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Jesus died for our sins, and lives that we might live in holiness unto God. This is basically the Christian faith.

But it's hard for anybody's faith to hold up if they have no hope, if they see no progress in the way by Jesus Christ. Even after receiving the remission of sins, we need confirmation from God over and over again until there is no doubt.

We come out of bondage in peace, and we go forth with joy, but it's a fight to keep the faith. Guilt, fear and condemnation from sin usually is the first battle we face in drawing near to God, against which He teaches us to fight.

I think if your conscience of sins alienates you from God, it is an evil conscience. Unless the conscience is purged from that influence on the heart - by the the blood of Jesus - you may not know peace and rest even if you became perfect in the flesh.

When we first get saved we receive knowledge of Christ's victory over sin, through his blood and the healing and peace it fosters in hearts and minds towards God. I believe this is the beginning of our purification which must happen for the rest in Christ to follow, by way of the cross.

My prayer is that nothing come between your soul and your Savior.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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Jesus died for our sins, and lives that we might live in holiness unto God. This is basically the Christian faith.

But it's hard for anybody's faith to hold up if they have no hope, if they see no progress in the way by Jesus Christ. Even after receiving the remission of sins, we need confirmation from God over and over again until there is no doubt.

We come out of bondage in peace, and we go forth with joy, but it's a fight to keep the faith. Guilt, fear and condemnation from sin usually is the first battle we face in drawing near to God, against which He teaches us to fight.

I think if your conscience of sins alienates you from God, it is an evil conscience. Unless the conscience is purged from that influence on the heart - by the the blood of Jesus - you may not know peace and rest even if you became perfect in the flesh.

When we first get saved we receive knowledge of Christ's victory over sin through his blood, and the healing and peace it fosters in hearts and minds towards God. I believe this is the beginning of our purification which must happen for the rest in Christ to follow, by way of the cross.

My prayer is that nothing come between your soul and your Savior.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

But how do I overcome it? I've been through several phases where I did, but I kept backsliding after that.
 
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But how do I overcome it? I've been through several phases where I did, but I kept backsliding after that.

I wonder how many Christians believe fornication is a necessary part of a healthy life, or find it inconceivable to live without sexual intimacy.

I don't need to know anyone's heart, God knows. I'm just speaking about the doctrine of Christ, through whom we are freed from sin.

You overcome by faith, by putting it in God's hands. You surrender the sin from the heart, and fight for the peace which is yours in Christ. You obey the truth in Christ and grow in grace.

You do it by following God's lead.
 
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First thing the OP needs to do, is remember that He loves you regardless of what sins you commit.

If you commit sin, then pray afterwards, tell Him you're sorry, ask Him to forgive you, and ask Him to help you do better next time it comes up.

He knows your body's chemistry. He knows your fleshly desires, He knows how chemicals in your body will affect how your brain operates. He designed our bodies, He knows how they work, and He knows how they try to move us to do things that are bad.

I'm not saying to become ignorant/insensitive to sin (we are taught that we should hate our sin, something you obviously do otherwise you wouldn't be posting here asking for advice on how to defeat it), but yet there's a point where you need to realize that every Christian will sin in their lives, daily. It is unavoidable that some sins will be committed, for every single thing that we do -- or don't do -- that "falls short" of God's standards, is "sin". Since no human could ever be perfect, that means we are all sinners, and we sin daily.

However, we are Born Again. We still reside within our fleshly bodies, but we have a new spirit, one that yearns to be free of this rotting body, one that yearns for the things of God rather than the things of this world. He understands that we will stumble and fall occasionally, and He will wait for you to turn back to Him, get on your knees and say "Lord, I'm sorry... please forgive me."

*snap!*

Just like that, He will forgive you because He loves you. Ask him to teach you how to do better next time, and He will. Bit, by bit, the Holy Spirit that dwells within us will sanctify us, will cause us to be better each day. We will resist temptation more, we will sin less, we will love more, etc.

When you feel like God or Jesus doesn't want to talk to you, or have anything to do with you because you've sinned, don't listen to these thoughts! That's Satan talking to you, or at least one of his lying spirits. They want you to feel condemnation. How did Paul put it? "There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus"? Satan and his demons love nothing more than to make a believer's life on Earth a living Hell, because he knows that once we leave this Earth, we're free from sin and death, and we'll be in Heaven in His glorious, loving and majestic presence tucked safely away from the enemy. He wants to cause as much misery to us as he can while he can.

And I'd like to ask the OP... this is a personal question, I know, so you needn't answer it, Friend... but... how lustful are we talking? Is it just a quick glance at someone's chest, or their rear? Or do you actually envision sleeping with them, or wishing to see them naked? If it is the first -- just a quick glance... just look away and close your eyes and try to think about something else. If it is the latter... then I would suggest some good quality prayer. Push the condemning thoughts out of your head; He is waiting for you to approach Him. Don't let your sin get in the way of that. He's still there, waiting, even though you've sinned. He can help you, but you have to accept His help.

Don't stand there being too afraid to reach out and take His hand.

BTW: ... "defeating" sin... or overcoming it... that's not Your work... that's the work of the Holy Spirit that dwells within you. The war is not a physical one, but a spiritual one fought by the Holy Spirit who sanctifies you over time.
 
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Imagine Jesus hearing the cry of a man bound and afflicted, facing destruction in a gutter of filth, and coming into that place of darkness to be with him. Imagine the conflict between his sinful state and the presence of God, and Jesus telling him he is free, that something new had begun in him.

The man begins to learn the truth of what Christ had done for him, and of the sin in his flesh which held him captive. He begins fighting with the truth, and to discern between spirit and the flesh. He begins to identify with Christ rather than his sinful deeds which were under the blood. He begins to walk in the Spirit.

Imagine the effect on his heart from which he would choose righteousness. It would only be a matter of increasing in Christ for him to mortify the deeds of the body.
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Out of desperation to live and love for God, the man man from his heart was willing to turn from each wicked way that would prevent him from walking after Jesus.
 
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"BTW: ... "defeating" sin... or overcoming it... that's not Your work... that's the work of the Holy Spirit that dwells within you. The war is not a physical one, but a spiritual one fought by the Holy Spirit who sanctifies you over time".

No greater words could be said, to a friend by a friend ! You and I joke around S,S . With all jokes aside this struggle is in your mind . Your mind is the play ground for negativity or positivity . The following is in "for me" format that leaves the door open for a seed to be planted or rejected.

For me, as one left the church (Physical) to delve in the word with God some fundamental truths manifested. People are trained (ME Too ! ) to locate sin. Weather this be in self or another. Locating sin takes conscious effort of the mind to identify, label and apply. This is a mind of judgment and there is no joy in a mind like that. As one sees in the OP. It is a mind stuck in labor. As mine was for decades. We being trained by people do as people do. This also is wrong order of first love that people equate more weight than God. Don't get this bent please, one loves people but not firstly. If a preacher teaches locate sin this preacher teaches negativity in subtlety. He may be unaware he does such a thing. This equates too "Who showed you, you are naked" In Gen.

Our nakedness IS, and not to be dwelled on as people tend not to preach in bringing it up in a sermon (sly is the serpent. It can use sincere ignorance of a preacher to instill judgment of the mind). I talk of the mind S,S and our duality. If negativity is what one seeks there is plenty of it to apply to ourselves and even point at another and say they sin. This gives false hope one is better than another as one takes attention from self in the act of pointing at another.

Too much subtlety in things like... Mankind thinks it is righteous in itself so lets teach judgment. I would like to concentrate on Gen:1:4. Notice: No judgment on the darkness. Hook Matt:18:22 to Gen 1:4, now include us in our duality that #1. We are limited (This takes a moving over in pride) of knowledge obtained of what "we" thought and listen to God to mold the thought inside. In this mode of thinking some sins we keep on doing but as we live life and read the word and fall in love with ___________ put your descriptor there. God goes by whatever you and Light need to bridge the gap of understanding in a descriptor. A "want" arises to give up a sin. If the want is not present then keep your joy for it just takes some time for God to show you something in an experience like but not limited too... We turn older and them tig ole bitties don't effect us the same as they used too as we contemplate getting Viagra ^_^. There are but two choices , positivity or negativity for the mind to operate under. These come from source code of Light or Darkness Gen:1:4 . Again, add us/humanity and choice where choice is our duality/humanity/us/self. For me, it took time to learn this under Gods tutelage to understand seeking sin is negative/darkness. Who showed me I am/will be naked Gen:3:11 ? Why, "me" of course for I listen to people Gen:3:12 (this is concept applied to us all that we listen to people firstly and eat of the tree and or disobey verse 11 last part) and I have found truth to it :clap:. For it takes darkness to show darkness for darkness judges itself in what we allow into our minds. Once again notice no judgment of darkness by the light but a separation in Gen:1:4.

Whew, with all that said one approaches the Word in a build up of self or a tear down of self and usually tear down was taught by a person Gen:3:12. Gender does not matter in Spirit teach for it has none and only God can teach Spirit to the soul and mind. Thus it looks like... Trippy mannn ^_^.
 
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If a preacher teaches locate sin this preacher teaches negativity in subtlety.

Only someone like the Pharisee would be "locating sin". But someone who comes to the light can't help but have his deeds reproved.

Not locating sin reminds me of someone who wouldn't go to the doctor because he doesn't want to hear bad news. But it's all good with Jesus. It's like seeing your sin while wrapped in the loving arms of God, and he's got the victory.

Our nakedness IS, and not to be dwelled on as people tend not to preach in bringing it up in a sermon

You're not naked if Christ lives in you.

We turn older and them tig ole bitties don't effect us the same as they used too as we contemplate getting Viagra

It could be your libido, and not deliverance from sin's bondage

There are but two choices , positivity or negativity for the mind to operate under. These come from source code of Light or Darkness

This sounds like Christian science

For it takes darkness to show darkness for darkness judges itself in what we allow into our minds

Strange logic here. Maybe it means ignorance is bliss but it doesn't last.

Whew, with all that said one approaches the Word in a build up of self or a tear down of self and usually tear down was taught by a person Gen:3:12

Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Jeremiah 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

Jeremiah 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord.
 
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What is knowledge alone to plant a seed of doubt to me? There is no past and future only one moment of time... Let there be light. If one seeks negativity then negativity is the reward
one seeks. One will grow tired of smiting the rock of negativity in their process of labor (self perceived righteousness) that it can be obtained in labor alone. So be it, as the arm will grow weary of negativity placed to the mind.
 
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What is knowledge alone to plant a seed of doubt to me? There is no past and future only one moment of time... Let there be light.

I don't ever want to preach doubt and fear to the weak, like telling Christians they are in danger of losing their salvation because of doctrine or whatever. I think I'm affirming the faith, that we can be freed from sin. But it's difficult to depart from sin, to give it up from the heart. Some can't see living without it, and others can't find peace with their sins before them.

If one seeks negativity then negativity is the reward one seeks. One will grow tired of smiting the rock of negativity in their process of labor (self perceived righteousness) that it can be obtained in labor alone.

Truthfully I don't like labor either but it's in every pursuit. Whether it's labor for meat which endures to eternal life, or labor to enter into God's rest, there is labor.

When Jesus saves destitute souls he opens eyes and ears, heals the lame, and tells them to follow him. He leads them across stormy seas and through the wilderness to their desired haven. We can't escape labor to prosper in Christ but it's by his strength.

Psalm 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: and see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
 
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"Psalm 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: and see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting."

Well said, FAC:oldthumbsup:. Words of light in you that proceed out of you . Did it bring a smile to you writing it down as it did mine in reading it? If not, there is a fundamental problem that it may be seen as a task or labor. These two terms stream from same negative source. Our duality. One in labor or consciousness molded by God. Us, in Gods molded consciousness steps into the second 40.

A picture of a man in His joy, Imagine if you will ^_^ (Some twilight zone and we might as well add theme music to it ^_^) Gomer Pile and Sergeant Carter and Pile represents Joy (Garden enclosed, Light, Mind enclosed, Us and light/Jesus whatever terminology is understood). Carter is the adversary (Garden without, Serpent, Eve, Sin whatever makes sense) trying to take Piles joy and Carter can not break through . Question.. Who is doing the labor? This is concept of truth FAC to take it to God and search it out in truth. There is an end to labor its just in willingness to do so not in the Word alone but in a living God. :oldthumbsup:

John:39-40 (ESV) You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.:hug:

In Hopes...
 
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for the past several years ive struggled with the sin of lustful thoughts. there have been times where i temporarily became free from the sin, but i keep falling back into it. last year i was prayed over (not about this sin specifically, though-just a general prayer about God having more of a presence in my life) and i felt much better after that, because I felt like I could overcome sin, but I quickly backslid back into it. does anybody have advice or me? I feel like I have many things I struggle with spiritually, including a few smaller sins, but this one sin seems the worst, in the sense that it alienates me the most from God. I feel like I have no connection to God currently because of this sin, and I have negative regretful feelings about myself because of that, because I want a connection and relationship with God, and this one sin takes it away from me.

I'm going to say something that's going to sound insulting but take in what I am telling you. The reason we struggle with sin like this is that we just aren't motivated enough. (don't ask me how I know). We think we can't get this stuff out of our head so we don't. If you love Jesus and Jesus loves you he is going to patiently work with you, for years even to help you get this off your back. But if you don't do it on your own. The Father is going to do what Fathers do, he's going to pick you up, and throw you through that wall you've been banging your head against. It's going to hurt and others around you may get hurt too. On the other side you will be cleansed of this and discover you can control your thoughts way more than you really ever believed you could. My advice to you is as the other person said, "Fear God". He loves you and he won't let you fail, but if HE has to do it, It's gonna hurt. Take every thought captive and give it to God. Do it now and Do it 100%. You don't want to do it the hard way.
 
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started to read all the responses and gave up...when we look at Jesus prayer in the garden, what did Jesus tell Peter? He told him that prayer would keep him from sin. It is really hard to sin when you are communing with a God so holy that He cannot even look upon sin. A God who does not hear the prayers of the unrighteous but only the righteous.

Now, look at James 5:16 confess your sins one to another and have a righteous man or men pray for you. Notice it is the fervent prayer of a righteous man that is effective. Of course with confession comes repentance...II Chro. 7:14

We also are to flee from temptation, II Timothy 2:22...flee or take our thoughts captive and set those thoughts on the things of God (II Cor. 10:5; Phil. 4:8)... follow after righteousness, iow' obedience...follow and pursue not just righteousness but faith (trust in God) Love, peace, God, purity. This is a big order and requires one to yield themselves over through humiliy

WE have found it helpful to be accountable to someone (preferably a spouse but if not a spouse someone) to take extreme measures, to be in the word, etc.

that at least is a good start...also look at the temptations of Christ and how HE overcame.
 
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Question.. Who is doing the labor? This is concept of truth FAC to take it to God and search it out in truth. There is an end to labor its just in willingness to do so not in the Word alone but in a living God.

Hi FanthatSpark, Yes I think I can see it. For instance, if the devil is trying to make me fall he’s the one laboring. Then again, if I’m weak I could experience labor if my faith is shaken.
 
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Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Overcoming sin by will power is an exercise in futility. It’s not in controlling thoughts, but in purifying the heart. And your thoughts will control you if you fear it, or grieved by it.

If you give the sin up from your heart, you will have to deny your thoughts, feelings or imagination that say you are still the same. It will be a fight to walk in peace rather than guilt or fear, into deliverance by faith.

And if you indulge in the sin, the sin is in your flesh and not your heart where Christ lives. You may need prayer to fight the sorrow, have your spirit restored, convict you of righteousness, remove any separation between you and God, etc.

Only God can deliver and not by throwing you through a wall (as retlaw said) or anything painful, but by leading you after Christ. The only place you will suffer is in your flesh, in the death of the old man.

(Assuming we are in the Spirit and not the flesh)
 
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Thus ends labor, mind in judgment, pride, that one grasps agape from God to us that will manifest out of us for "Armor of God" is Armor of our consciousness relearned by God Rom:12:2 that = Gomer Pile, joy, insurmountable by the Gates of hell, Sergeant Carter, Matt:16:18. Gates of hell are people my friend that try to step between us and our personal relationship with a living God to usurp the hierarchy of first love, trust in only Him.

For conscious sake, where concepts can be grasped , listen to the song supplied in below link and instead of boy girl relationship, replace that concept with you and God and your love affair with Him. The part about "sending my love over the wire" talks of the seed sowers like ourselves that can step back and remove self out of the way and take a concept before God in truth no matter the religion a man woman is for truth is what we rejoice in when we take concept to our living God :oldthumbsup:. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=faithfully+journey
 
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I am 27 but accepted christ around the age of 6 or 7. I struggle with lust, sexual urges, pornorgraphy. I go a few months free from it then backslide. The sexual urges and thoughts just become so strong that it consumes me in a way. I believes it's a combination of my low self esteem, the fact I never had a girl friend that add to that. But I am currently in a class to break free from this life of sin.

Like others have said, every one struggles sin and fleshly desires is a on going thing. Asking Christ for forgiveness is key ( but not an excuse to continue to sin over and over again). I also, like I recently found out you motivations have to be right. Are you asking God to help you with Lust and sexual impurity to feel better about yourself or for your own selfish reasons or do you want to be free to bring Glory to God? Everything we do as Christians should be honor and glory to God, not for own own selfish reasons.
 
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Folks, lust will never go away as long as we are in this body, and neither will the thoughts.

It's our response that has to change, and it begins with peace rather than fear in your heart, living in the Spirit, and then purification.

You don’t have to struggle against sin except to believe on Jesus, follow him, and to be conformed to him. Jesus has already won the battle.

It's impossible to follow Jesus and continue in sin.
 
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