I will reread it tonight, however I am sure I will not find anything that will be a complete eye opener that I can't imagine anyone coming up with on there own.
Sincerely,
Rev. DSD
Sincerely,
Rev. DSD
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So Far I am still the only non-christian who said mostly evil comes from them. Wow.
BTW since I'm the only one I thought I'd share why so as not to mess up the result too badly
I elected to vote that answer because in the hands of most teenagers and other like minded individuals they can be a bad thing. It is a tool, and in the hands of your friendly neighborhood witch, shaman, or wise one they are highly useful, but in the hands of the kid next door having a slumber party they're a menace. Spirits could come and attack, nothing could happen and people could lose their belief in magic, people could 'cheat' the board and cause others distress for no reason but amusement. That's why I said they do more harm than anything else.
Besides, few witches I know would choose the board over the cards, a fire, a bowl of water, or a finished cup of tea
BTW since I'm the only one I thought I'd share why so as not to mess up the result too badly
I elected to vote that answer because in the hands of most teenagers and other like minded individuals they can be a bad thing. It is a tool, and in the hands of your friendly neighborhood witch, shaman, or wise one they are highly useful, but in the hands of the kid next door having a slumber party they're a menace. Spirits could come and attack, nothing could happen and people could lose their belief in magic, people could 'cheat' the board and cause others distress for no reason but amusement. That's why I said they do more harm than anything else.
Besides, few witches I know would choose the board over the cards, a fire, a bowl of water, or a finished cup of tea
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REV before you do, sincerely ask for God to guide you. It is not only these I listed, the Bible is filled.
God Bless
God Bless
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I've seen them, but have never used one so I'm not in any kind of position to comment. And that's how I voted.Mylinkay Asdara said:
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Alessandro said:
It is fair enough to point out that there are things that defy rational explanation, but this does not mean that there is a god. There are things in the Book of Man, and the Quran of a similar nature.
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Yes, but compare them accurately and you will see the difference. The Bible is a totally different Book than the others.
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"Compare them accurately" = "look at them from the perspective of Christianity's claims being true".
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Regarding the OP...
I think possibly some of my aversion to ouija boards is a leftover from being Christian, though if I look at them rationally, I'd say they encourage mindsets that I don't think are particularly sensible or helpful.
I've heard plenty of interesting stories about them. One is from a friend of mine who, maybe 8 years ago, used a ouija board with some friends. They were just having fun and everything, as these stories usually go. They managed to "get hold" (I would say, they convinced themselves they got hold, but then, I should reserve judgement, not having thoroughly investigated) of a deceased relative. They asked a few boring questions, then asked the dead aunt to put Kurt Cobain on the line. The response was, "No." They asked why. There was a delay, then, "Walls of power separate us." They asked something else, then there was a big delay. Then, "They are coming." They asked who were coming. More delay. Then simply, "Girl," and the line went dead. Then a girl in the group said, "I feel weird," and everyone packed their respective underpants and took off.
Now, that's a fun story. It raises some goosebumps. But I severely suspect some poetic licence has been taken with exaggerating the clarity of the messages in favour of a more interesting anecdote. I wouldn't be surprised if "walls of power seperate us" was actually "wlzpwasprytas" or something. And that distortion, if it's there, is after a single telling. One degree of separation from the event. Stories evolve through natural selection, with boring parts being left out and interesting/exaggerated parts being passed on.
Another story, this one from my father, was about a group of kids who played with a ouija board at home. The the father of one of the kids came home, and the kid started apologising, as his family (and he) was Christian, and he was aware this was a no-no. The father said, "No, no, come on. Let's do this ouija thing." The glass started moving, and then the father said something along the lines of, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, get out!" and the glass went flying across the room into the fireplace and shattered.
So, freaky-deaky. This story was passed on to me by an evangelical Christian (my father), who had no doubt heard it through Christian circles. In Christian circles, the evolution of a story involves exaggerating the parts in accordance with Christianity and smallerising the parts that don't give mad props to Christ. So who knows how this Chinese whisper began. I don't, so I don't put much stock in such stories.
However, when I was a Christian, I viewed these two stories in an interesting way. The first story I saw almost entirely as deception. '"Walls of power separate us"?' I thought. Well, that's bollocks, since the dead are either in heaven or in hell. It's deception, Satan selling New Age propaganda about some fuzzy afterlife without judgement. But the "they are coming" and the bad feelings, that was fine with my Christian viewpoint. Obviously demons were doing badness.
I subjected the other story to less criticism, since the story as a whole fitted my Christian worldview. Of course the demon cowered at the name of Christ. Of course it went flying into the fireplace. All of these things fitted with my worldview.
And so, in the telling of them, I would talk in such a way that gave one the impression that the first was a kid's story and the second was an actual event. I would tell the second more often than the first, since it supported my view on ouija boards (Captain Howdy = bad) and the first contradicted my views about the afterlife.
All very interesting.
I think possibly some of my aversion to ouija boards is a leftover from being Christian, though if I look at them rationally, I'd say they encourage mindsets that I don't think are particularly sensible or helpful.
I've heard plenty of interesting stories about them. One is from a friend of mine who, maybe 8 years ago, used a ouija board with some friends. They were just having fun and everything, as these stories usually go. They managed to "get hold" (I would say, they convinced themselves they got hold, but then, I should reserve judgement, not having thoroughly investigated) of a deceased relative. They asked a few boring questions, then asked the dead aunt to put Kurt Cobain on the line. The response was, "No." They asked why. There was a delay, then, "Walls of power separate us." They asked something else, then there was a big delay. Then, "They are coming." They asked who were coming. More delay. Then simply, "Girl," and the line went dead. Then a girl in the group said, "I feel weird," and everyone packed their respective underpants and took off.
Now, that's a fun story. It raises some goosebumps. But I severely suspect some poetic licence has been taken with exaggerating the clarity of the messages in favour of a more interesting anecdote. I wouldn't be surprised if "walls of power seperate us" was actually "wlzpwasprytas" or something. And that distortion, if it's there, is after a single telling. One degree of separation from the event. Stories evolve through natural selection, with boring parts being left out and interesting/exaggerated parts being passed on.
Another story, this one from my father, was about a group of kids who played with a ouija board at home. The the father of one of the kids came home, and the kid started apologising, as his family (and he) was Christian, and he was aware this was a no-no. The father said, "No, no, come on. Let's do this ouija thing." The glass started moving, and then the father said something along the lines of, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, get out!" and the glass went flying across the room into the fireplace and shattered.
So, freaky-deaky. This story was passed on to me by an evangelical Christian (my father), who had no doubt heard it through Christian circles. In Christian circles, the evolution of a story involves exaggerating the parts in accordance with Christianity and smallerising the parts that don't give mad props to Christ. So who knows how this Chinese whisper began. I don't, so I don't put much stock in such stories.
However, when I was a Christian, I viewed these two stories in an interesting way. The first story I saw almost entirely as deception. '"Walls of power separate us"?' I thought. Well, that's bollocks, since the dead are either in heaven or in hell. It's deception, Satan selling New Age propaganda about some fuzzy afterlife without judgement. But the "they are coming" and the bad feelings, that was fine with my Christian viewpoint. Obviously demons were doing badness.
I subjected the other story to less criticism, since the story as a whole fitted my Christian worldview. Of course the demon cowered at the name of Christ. Of course it went flying into the fireplace. All of these things fitted with my worldview.
And so, in the telling of them, I would talk in such a way that gave one the impression that the first was a kid's story and the second was an actual event. I would tell the second more often than the first, since it supported my view on ouija boards (Captain Howdy = bad) and the first contradicted my views about the afterlife.
All very interesting.
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What if there are 5 people in the room, and 2 of the people using it experience the same thing, at the same time, while the others experience nothing.Pete Harcoff said:
It did move, but what scared us was what we heard...
We were all listening, but nobody else heard what my brother and I had heard. Even though to us it was loud and clear as anything...
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Not necessarily Zoot. You would be surprised that many who attemp this are non Christians, trying to prove the Bible wrong.
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Nobody has to prove the Bible wrong. The Bible is unproven by default, just like everything else. Those who make the claim that the Bible is true have to prove it. Which no one ever has.Alessandro said:
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Maybe... maybe not. The fact is difference or similarity simply is not a measure of truth, just as colour is not a measure of truth. Would you say the Bible is true because it has red lettering? They why would you think that being different means it is true? Almost every sacred text or every religion is different in most respects from the others. Are they true also because they are different?Alessandro said:
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Noone has disproven the Bible, many attempted, all failed, many who claim they have, used texts out of context, refered texts to wrong persons and many of the like, but no actual disproving.
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And once again no one has to disprove the Bible.Alessandro said:
No one has disproved the Quran, either
Or the Baghavad Gita, or the Book of the Dun Cow, or the Book of Troth.
The Bible is unproven, if you want to make the claim that it is true you must prove it. The burden of proof is on the claimant, not the skeptic.
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Ask God, this is where the difference is.
We will have to continue this later, I have somethings that I need to attend to.
We will have to continue this later, I have somethings that I need to attend to.
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The only way any Holy Script can be proven is ony with in the heart of who ever is reading them. That's it.
the Book of the Dun Cow?!?
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Wow, this is interesting how satan has decieved so many into thinking that the ouji board is a harmless game.
--I'd say it's more likely that "Satan," if he existed, has deceived so many into thinking the Ouija board is not a harmless game (as it is) so they'd waste their efforts on it and not on works that will really help people, myself.
--I'd say it's more likely that "Satan," if he existed, has deceived so many into thinking the Ouija board is not a harmless game (as it is) so they'd waste their efforts on it and not on works that will really help people, myself.
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