That is indeed sad. I thought the idea of Christian Churches and pastors is to bring people to Christ, not deliberately push them away. I am glad that I belong to a denomination that is very tolerant of other views.
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That is indeed sad. I thought the idea of Christian Churches and pastors is to bring people to Christ, not deliberately push them away. I am glad that I belong to a denomination that is very tolerant of other views.
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Oh, so he only wants in his church the ones that accept what he has to say and his job is to "keep out the riff-raff"? Interesting, let's see what Jesus had to say about that, shall we? I will quote the entire passage (KJV) for context, but the important one is verse 17.
Mark 2:13 And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.
14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Sounds like he keeps it all on context and does not put up with anyone trying to take the Bible out of context.
That is a polite way of saying that as a Pastor it is his job to protect the sheep from the wolves.
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I don't question their religious beliefs. I question their views of science which are exclusionary, extraordinarily myopic, completely wrong and in some cases, just plain made up.
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Did the "oil pressure" method get too "detail" oriented? So we have to continue with Creationist Whack-a-Mole?
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I am doubtful any creationist site is "lying" in that I suspect they actually believe what they say.
But almost all of them:
1. fail to understand the science (often their critiques are founded on some serious error or another)
2. have selected only those things with some question they can leverage ("doubt for doubt's sake")
3. select only those areas they can leverage for their point (bias)
The key to any creationist site is that they are there for one purpose and one purpose only: prove creationism correct. It isn't scientific nor is it intended to be.
Creationists are not working to make "earth science" more understandable or to make a new and better tool to understand the earth, but rather to poke holes in data that is inconvenient to strict adherence to a fringe interpretation of a book of unknown provenance, unknown authorship and unknown intent by a group of people we really only know one thing for sure: they didn't know anything about the early development of the earth.
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Well, it is quite incorrect to call the "lies" if I truly believe these things. But here's a few questions:
who exactly wrote Genesis? To my understanding there is at least two "authors" based on the couplets and the style of story telling.
So when I say "unknown provenance" we simply don't actually know who wrote Genesis or who it came from. It is mere hypothetical that it would come from "God" (whoever that is). It is only attributed to Moses but to my knowledge no actual mention that Moses wrote Genesis is anywhere apparent or even if there was a "Moses".
And what we do know about the Israelites from whom this tradition comes, it would be that they didn't know geology or cosmology in any way based on science as we know it today. Why would someone expect them to?
So how are these "lies"?
If you wish to accuse me of LYING then you surely believe that was my intent. One cannot lie without intent.
So you have called me a LIAR. You have accused me of lying.
You can apologize at your earliest convenience or I can report this to the mods if you like.
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I have scrolled through the entire thread, and been unable to find your original comment. Therefore, I removed mine. Any potential integrity of addressing your statement is greatly compromised, but I'll foolishly try anyway:
I'm not sure what your original statement was, but this question does not need to be answered to address it. We know it is of Jewish provenance. Whether they may have borrowed some of it from older culture, does not change this. Jews came from somewhere. Do you challenge that we know it comes through the Jews?
Yes of course I realize this is where modern scholarship points, but do you realize the level of ignorance this expresses by turning a deaf ear to the fact this this is a literary style used throughout the whole of Scripture?
I cannot accept this as a truthful statement. Do you really know that Homer, himself, personally, wrote all of the works attributed to him? W/o the use of a scribe? It's a foolish question. As is yours. It just doesn't pertain to the genre. Instead, we marvel at getting some glimpse into how the minds of the ancients worked.
No. Millions of us have literally staked our lives on the Truths contained therein, only to find G-d prove Himself over and over again, Faithfully. Your callous efforts at hand-waving that away are not that important. You would be better advised to simply observe the phenomena and wonder.
That's the problem with taking a modern Bible and pretending it's supposed to not only stand on it's own, but be left open for us to figure out what it's trying to say. Don't feel bad, Christians make this mistake all the time! Correct the error and understanding begins to open up.
This has NO bearing on your original comment that I replied to - nor is it relevant to Scripture.
Not sure I agree with that. Anyway, my statement that you took exception to is removed. Hope that makes you feel better? It's just as easy to get God to stop talking to you, but much harder to "hear" what He has to say
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Which is more than you guys have.
Do you know the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia?
Until you learn to understand nothing, you're not going to properly understand anything (when it comes to the creation week).
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