I will be glad to give you the correct exegesis of the Scriptures you asked about.
The reason I have not responded to your questions is really simple. You are convinced that what you believe is correct and it makes no difference what anyone shows you from the Scriptures. It therefore becomes a waste of my time to do this back and forth banter over something that does not exist in the Scriptures. I am sure that your response to this post will verify what I just said.
Well sir, just because you think you're right, does not make it so. Are you not convinced you're right? So, then why be on this forum at all?
If I give you 10 scriptures that show salvation can be lost, how can you be so sure that you're right.
OF COURSE, we're to believe in Jesus. And since you know Greek so well, I'm sure you know what BELIEVE means. I'm sure you know that it means we are also to OBEY.
But I digress. The important fact to know is that it is a real blessing from God that our salvation does not depend on what we think about one losing their salvation.
I agree. But here is the problem:
A new Christian is reading along. What is he to think? That he can do whatever he wants to and still be saved? This is not true, so why make a new Christian believe this? There's a new Christian right here on this thread. Will you take the responsibility for stating incorrect doctrine to which he might adhere? It's a big responsibility --- God will demand much of you:
James 3:1
Now then, when one considers the Scriptures, we all from one perspective or the other use the same Scriptures to formulate our understanding. However, right there is a problem. If two people use the same Scripture to validate different sides then that is a "contradiction". Is that possible????? NO! There is not and can not be any errors or contradictions in the Word of God as either one would make God a Liar and if that is the case then no one is or has ever been saved. So what is the only answer then...……..
Our own lack of Holy Spirit lead understanding!
I don't read the bible on my own and make up my own doctrine. I've been taught theology from two different churches, totally different, and they've both taught me the same doctrine regarding salvation. God ALWAYS insisted on obedience and He always will.
Genesis 2:17 and we all know the outcome of that disobedience.
Deuteronomy 28:1
Proverbs 10:17
1 Kings 2:3
Joshua 5:6
Romans 1:5
Revelation 12:14
2 Corinthians 12:5
and so MANY more...
God demands obedience and He always will.
No use to tip toe around this.
So then, you asked about Matthew 7:23...…………
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
CONTEXT is always the key to understanding. So then please read verse 24...…………
"Many will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
Clearly Jesus has just condemned salvation by WORKS. They were NEVER believers to begin with as they had placed their salvation on WORKS as there is no mention here of FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
NO Born Again believer will ever hear the words from Jesus....."I never knew you".
Every believer instead will hear Jesus say....."Come unto me ye who are weary and I will give you rest".
Bottom line here is that the people Jesus was speaking to WERE NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH as you can clearly see the words of God when He said....
"I NEVER KNEW YOU".
That means the idea of anyone losing their salvation can not be applied to this verse at all.
Yes context is very important.
So let's look at verse 21
Mathew 7:21 JESUS says:
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."
Jesus doesn't mention anything about being saved or believing in Him. He speaks about trees producing good fruit, and He speaks about persons doing good deeds. Some will do things in the name of God, like healings, but the lie and do not have God in their heart and mock Him.
Mathew 7:23 JESUS says
23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
Again, Jesus did not say that those not entering heaven did not believe in Him, He says that those PRACTICING LAWLESSNESS will not enter into heaven.
All Jesus did for 3 1/2 years was to teach us how to behave and how to do good. Perhaps this is because it is really important?
Of course He never knew them --- they did NOT DO THE WILL of the FATHER. He clearly stated that THOSE that do the WILL OF THE FATHER are the ones who will go to heaven...
Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but he who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER. Jesus is saying that we must do the will of the Father. And what is the will of the Father?
Verse 24...st
Mathew 7:24-27 JESUS says
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
Jesus wants us to ACT on the words He says...this means obeying Him. God has always demanded obedience.
Then you asked for exegesis of Matthew 7:24...…….
"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock".
I do not know why you used this verse to try and prove that salvation can be lost by the individual. There is nothing there to suggest that we can lose something that we did nothing to obtain.
However I will agree 100% with what said in that He, Jesus Christ is the ROCK of salvation![/QUOTE]
Explained above.
BTW, those who HEARD the words of Jesus but DID NOT DO THEM, ended up in a house that fell and great was its fall.
That doesn't sound like heaven to me.
Acts 4:12...……..
"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."
1 Corinthians 3:11...…….
"For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ."
Agreed. Jesus died to free us from the grip of satan, no one else.
Then you asked about John 14:15...………
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Now when YOU read that verse, can you tell me where it says that "IF I do not obey the commands of God I will lose my salvation"????????
Is that what it says my dear sister?????? NO! IT DOES NOT![/QUOTE]
Easy. John 14:15 JESUS says
"If you love Me, keep My commandments"... opposite:
If you DO NOT love me do not keep my commandments.
If we do NOT LOVE Jesus, we must surely not be saved.
Since, as you stated above, there is salvation in no other name.
And where does it say that if we do not obey, we lose our salvation?
Mathew 7:23
Mathew 7:26
Revelation 22:12
James 1:22-23
Ephesians 2:2
Colossians 1:10
Hebrews 10:26-27
And many more....
The above verses show how works are necessary and also how we could lose salvation.
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