Hi all. could anyone recommend any reading whether it be websites or books on amillenialism and orthodox preterism for someone very new to the subject. Thanks.
You might be further ahead not wasting your time on this, since they are based on fantasy.Hi all. could anyone recommend any reading whether it be websites or books on amillenialism and orthodox preterism for someone very new to the subject. Thanks.
Hi all. could anyone recommend any reading whether it be websites or books on amillenialism and orthodox preterism for someone very new to the subject. Thanks.
You might be further ahead not wasting your time on this, since they are based on fantasy.
jduck1986 said:One question that always pops into my mind about amillenialism and postmillenialism is that almost all of it's proponents are reformed in their theology. could anyone speak as to why this is the case?
Hi all. could anyone recommend any reading whether it be websites or books on amillenialism and orthodox preterism for someone very new to the subject. Thanks.
Just historical. The Catholic church was Amill, and the Protestant reformation saw no reason to change the eschatological doctrines of the church. Later on, when popular new premil ideas were emerging, they tended to get picked up by the newer denominations.
So, the connection between amill and reformed theology is coincidental. In my own case, my theology is Wesleyan but I am Amill.
jduck1986 said:I am definitely leaning towards amil partial preterist
The new generation of prophecy students are moving in large numbers to what is orthodox and safe. Good! My only proviso to this trend is that we should not toss out (entirely) the possibility some prophecy being fulfilled in the period between AD70 and Christs return.
Sure, futurists have over-done a lot of end-time stuff, but part-preterists can sometimes throw the baby out with the bathwater. That's what I like about Kim Riddlebarger's version of Amill. He's got a good balance IMO.
An excellent example of the difference between preterism and futurism can be found in a study of the Olivet Discourse.
First, try to forget everything you have ever heard from the mouth of a man or seen in a movie.
Do your best to just focus on the text in the Bible.
In Matthew chapter 24 the disciples ask Christ 2 questions.
1. When will the temple be destroyed?
2. What will be the sign of thy Coming and the end of the age?
Therefore, we must assume that part of the chapter is about the first question and part of the chapter is about the second question.
My personal view is that the first part of the chapter is related to the first question and the last part is about the second question.
Full-Preterists go into the ditch on one side by ignoring the second question and say it all happened in 70 AD.
Full-Futurists go into the ditch on the other side by ignoring the first question and say it will all happen in the future.
They are both clearly wrong.
Figuring out where the text changes from the first question to the second question is where most of the arguments originate between those whose view is somewhere in between the two extremes.
Do a parallel study of the Olivet Discourse found in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 17 and 21 to get a better picture.
For example, there is mention of being persecuted in synagogues. However, this is not clearly found in all three accounts. We know based on the New Testament that the disciples were persecuted in the synagogues by the Jews, during their lifetime. We know Halley's Comet was seen in 66 AD. This would have most certainly been a sign in the heavens. The Roman 12th Legion under Cestius Gallus surrounded Jerusalem in 66 AD, but then left for some unexplained reason. We know then there were those who saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. (Luke 21:20) There were major earthquakes in the region during the life of the Apostles. All of these things must be considered in attempting to understand which part has already been fulfilled and which lies in the future.
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Also, be aware that there are those on this forum who will use name-calling directed toward you if you dare to disagree with their view.
You will need to have thick skin to handle the personal insults.
Remember that we are all human.
Let God be true and every man a liar. ( That includes me. )
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The book "Kingdom Come" by Pastor Sam Storms should be the first book you read.
Thank you for your advice and comments. I will definitely check out "Kingdom Come" thank you. Out of personal curiosity, are you amil or postmil?
In considering the questions of Preterism vs. Futurism, and Amillenism vs. Premillennilism or Post-millennism, there is a basic question that you must resolve in your mind.
That question is, should the plainly stated prophecies in the Bible be taken as literal statements of future events, or should they be taken as symbolic representations of future events.
If you conclude that the prophecies should be taken at face value, that is, literally, futurism is obvious,
But if you conclude that they are only symbolic, then any conclusion is possible.
All the various schools of prophetic interpretation fall along the scale between these two extremes, and they all depend on this one basic and essential question.
Been listening to a bit of Kim Riddlebarger's position on the book of Revelation today and I'm suprised to find out that he is in fact not a preterist. Idealist I believe? Any Idealists on this forum?
Reformed Theology relies heavily on Augustine and his ideas. Augustine believed that he was already in the Millenium and that the Church had replaced Israel. Thus Bible prophecy is "spiritualized".You say it's a fantasy which is certainly possible and I'm not going to argue with you.
One question that always pops into my mind about amillenialism and postmillenialism is that almost all of it's proponents are reformed in their theology. could anyone speak as to why this is the case?
Jacob Prasch is a messianic "Jew"
And so have many come in the same venue today
Be careful of these teachers because many of them are forming cults and require their members to keep Jewish laws which is a contradiction of the gospel of Jesus Christ
The Lord warned Israel that these would come [Matthew 24:4-5]