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Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son (human) will not bear the iniquity of his father, (Adam) and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son.

yes .... death entered into our world because Adam & Eve sinned and along with that death. (however there are 2 deaths)

we are not responsible for our predecessors sins

Galatians 6:5

For each one will bear his own load.

2 Corinthians 5:10
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For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Deuteronomy 24:16

“Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
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Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son (human) will not bear the iniquity of his father, (Adam) and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son.

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I'm trying to get my head around this idea of original sin...


Questions...

*Is original sin a core Christian idea?

*What is the scriptural basis?

*Does it mean that we are already regarded by God as having committed sin even before we are born... or does it mean a proclivity for sin, a sinful nature?

*If God punishes us, is it for sin or for a proclivity for sin?

*Does Jesus' sacrifice cover our sins, or our proclivity for sin?

Thank you

Adam sinned and this resulted in the fact that all are born with sinful natures today and are in need of salvation.Click this link Romans 5 and see it in the Bible -- go straight to the source.

All have a savior today - and that savior is Jesus Christ

1 John 2:2 Jesus is "the Atoning sacrifice for OUR sins and not for our sins only - but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD"

Accept that massive sacrifice on your behalf --- and live. Choose life.
 
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Adam sinned and this resulted in the fact that all are born with sinful natures today and are in need of salvation.Click this link Romans 5 and see it in the Bible -- go straight to the source.

This interpretation of Rom 5 seems to be a house of cards...a flimsy construct of little use and not expressing the use of cards at all.

ImCo:
I have come to realize that the fact that the full story of GOD's interaction with man on this earth ends with a heavenly marriage implies that the heavenly marriage was HIS purpose for our creation. It is in the heavenly marriage that HIS GLORY shines forth the strongest and most perfect in relationship with us, NOT in justice nor redemption which are merely aids to bring the marriage to fruition after to our moral stumbles.

HIS plan for all creation was the heavenly marriage.
HIS plan for each of us is the heavenly marriage.
Everything HE has ever done or will ever do conformed to this purpose, this plan, and He has never done anything that would slow this plan down or put it off or side track it in the least!

It implies that ALL of HIS being, all of HIS Sovereignty, all of HIS love, HIS righteousness and HIS nature as just have one perfect focus, to culminate HIS relationship with HIS creation in the heavenly marriage: one plan, one focus.

Therefore:
Our free will is an absolute necessity.
Aside from the fact that GOD cannot create any evil so all sinfulness proves the free will of the sinner, it is also a fact that true love and true marriage can be arrived at only by the free will acceptance of the lover and acceptance of the proposal of marriage by the Bride. GOD is not a Borg willing to have a Stepford wife...

This implies that GOD would never not save anyone who could be saved to become HIS Bride, not for any reason. No one is in hell who can be saved by any IF in reality... This also implies that only those who chose to eternally reject HIM as GOD and husband by a deep desire not to be involved in HIS plan would ever be passed over for entry into the marriage because they have a right to their free will decisions to choose such a path.

It implies that everyone ever created in HIS image, ie, able to be a proper Bride for HIM, was created perfectly capable and able to become HIS bride, not held back by any imperfection or lack of acceptance by HIM.
Isaiah 43:7, 21
7 "whom I created for my glory"
21 the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise.


Ecc 7:29 Only this have I found: I have discovered that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.” Upright: S3477, yashar, straightforward, just, upright:... GOD created no one disgustingly corrupt, enslaved to sin and unable to be HIS Bride.

By their coming into being everyone must have been within HIS plan, not separated from HIM by anything until they decided by their informed free will to reject HIM and HIS plan. HE cannot marry an evil person so why would HE create by any means, any system at all, evil people? It is impossible.
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Light cannot create darkness.
A good tree cannot put forth rotten fruit.
A stream of life giving water cannot put forth salt or brackish water.
Psalm 5:4 You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell.
 
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This interpretation of Rom 5 seems to be a house of cards...a flimsy construct of little use and not expressing the use of cards at all.
ImCo: I have come to realize that the fact that the full story of GOD's interaction with man on this earth ends with a heavenly marriage implies that the heavenly marriage was HIS purpose for our creation. It is in the heavenly marriage that HIS GLORY shines forth the strongest and most perfect in relationship with us, NOT in justice nor redemption which are merely aids to bring the marriage to fruition after to our moral stumbles.
HIS plan for all creation was the heavenly marriage.
I'll raise you one. . .

His plan is his own glory through the glory of his Son, whose glory is in the redemption of the Bride which God is preparing for his Son.
HIS plan for each of us is the heavenly marriage.
Everything HE has ever done or will ever do conformed to this purpose, this plan, and He has never done anything that would slow this plan down or put it off or side track it in the least!

It implies that ALL of HIS being, all of HIS Sovereignty, all of HIS love, HIS righteousness and HIS nature as just have one perfect focus, to culminate HIS relationship with HIS creation in the heavenly marriage: one plan, one focus.

Therefore:
Our free will is an absolute necessity.
Aside from the fact that GOD cannot create any evil so all sinfulness proves the free will of the sinner, it is also a fact that true love and true marriage can be arrived at only by the free will acceptance of the lover and acceptance of the proposal of marriage by the Bride. GOD is not a Borg willing to have a Stepford wife...

This implies that GOD would never not save anyone who could be saved to become HIS Bride, not for any reason. No one is in hell who can be saved by any IF in reality... This also implies that only those who chose to eternally reject HIM as GOD and husband by a deep desire not to be involved in HIS plan would ever be passed over for entry into the marriage because they have a right to their free will decisions to choose such a path.

It implies that everyone ever created in HIS image, ie, able to be a proper Bride for HIM, was created perfectly capable and able to become HIS bride, not held back by any imperfection or lack of acceptance by HIM.
Isaiah 43:7, 21
7 "whom I created for my glory"
21 the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise.


Ecc 7:29 Only this have I found: I have discovered that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.” Upright: S3477, yashar, straightforward, just, upright:... GOD created no one disgustingly corrupt, enslaved to sin and unable to be HIS Bride.

By their coming into being everyone must have been within HIS plan, not separated from HIM by anything until they decided by their informed free will to reject HIM and HIS plan. HE cannot marry an evil person so why would HE create by any means, any system at all, evil people? It is impossible.
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Light cannot create darkness.
A good tree cannot put forth rotten fruit.
A stream of life giving water cannot put forth salt or brackish water.
Psalm 5:4 You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell.
 
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His plan is his own glory through the glory of his Son, whose glory is in the redemption of the Bride which God is preparing for his Son.

This is not a raise of HIS purpose - this is how He determined to fulfill HIS planned purpose if any of those chosen to be HIS Bride should ever sin, sigh. Chosen to be HIS bride = elect. Sinful elect = sheep gone astray into sin, the good but sinful seed, the sinful people of HIS kingdom, HIS sinful but legitimate children, etc.

Indeed Christ died to ensure the perfection of HIS bride but HIS PURPOSE IN CREATING US WAS TO HAVE A BRIDE!!!
 
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This is not a raise of HIS purpose - this is how He determined to fulfill HIS planned purpose if any of those chosen to be HIS Bride should ever sin, sigh. Chosen to be HIS bride = elect. Sinful elect = sheep gone astray into sin, the good but sinful seed, the sinful people of HIS kingdom, HIS sinful but legitimate children, etc.

Indeed Christ died to ensure the perfection of HIS bride but HIS PURPOSE IN CREATING US WAS TO HAVE A BRIDE!!!
God's purpose is his glory through the glory of his Son.
I see that as a raise.
It's about the Son. The Bride is the means to the end.
 
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