ORIGIN OF THE 7th DAY SABBATH IN CREATION

[JLB777]

Do you see anywhere in God's 4th commandment to offer sin offerings and stone people for breaking the Sabbath? Nope, then we should live in the new covenant and believe and obey God's Word.

If we are to live in the New Covenant, then why do you keep referring to law of Moses?


Do you believe it’s a sin to go to Church on Sunday?



JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If we are to live in the New Covenant, then why do you keep referring to law of Moses?

I do not you do dear friend

Do you believe it’s a sin to go to Church on Sunday?

Already answered your repeating yourself again. As posted to you earlier...
It is not a sin to gather together to worship God on Sunday or any other day of the week like the Apostles and early disciples did. If you read the rest of my post you conveniently left out from your post here dear friend, you will see your answer is clearly answered.

According to the scriptures the Apostles and disciples of JESUS gathered daily to break bread and share God's Word....

ACTS 2:46-47 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

This is never the problem as posted earlier sin is the problem. Sin is defined in God's Word as not believeing and following God's Word and breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments.

ROMANS 14:23 .... WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN

JAMES 2:10-12 [10], For WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], WHOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. If we knowingly break it by working on the Sabbath and not keeping the say as a holy day of rest, just like any other one of God's 10 commandments if we break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin. The seventh day Sabbath is a day that God has blessed and set apart as a Holy day of rest where no work is to be done.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Sin is when you disregards God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath which God blessed and made as a holy day of rest and work on it.

Hope this helps.

 

[pescador]

I do not you do dear friend

Already answered your repeating yourself again. As posted to you earlier...
It is not a sin to gather together to worship God on Sunday or any other day of the week like the Apostles and early disciples did. If you read the rest of my post you conveniently left out from your post here dear friend, you will see your answer is clearly answered.

According to the scriptures the Apostles and disciples of JESUS gathered daily to break bread and share God's Word....

ACTS 2:46-47 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

This is never the problem as posted earlier sin is the problem. Sin is defined in God's Word as not believeing and following God's Word and breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments.

ROMANS 14:23 .... WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN

JAMES 2:10-12 [10], For WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], WHOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. If we knowingly break it by working on the Sabbath and not keeping the say as a holy day of rest, just like any other one of God's 10 commandments if we break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin. The seventh day Sabbath is a day that God has blessed and set apart as a Holy day of rest where no work is to be done.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Sin is when you disregards God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath which God blessed and made as a holy day of rest and work on it.

Hope this helps.

a) Don't tell this to Jesus, who broke the Sabbath law to heal people, thereby enraging the legalistic Jews.

b) Jesus himself told the legalistic Jews about David's men eating the showbread in the sanctuary, and how that was permissible.

Read all about it in Matthew 12

Mark 2:27: Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath."

 

[Jesse Johnson]

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[LoveGodsWord]

a) Don't tell this to Jesus, who broke the Sabbath law to heal people, thereby enraging the legalistic Jews.

b) Jesus himself told the legalistic Jews about David's men eating the showbread in the sanctuary, and how that was permissible.

Read all about it in Matthew 12

Mark 2:27: Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath."

MATTHEW 12:1-12 is showing that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. JESUS never broke the Sabbath. He was the maker of it *MARK 2:28. If JESUS broke the Sabbath we would all be lost.

MATTHEW 12:10-12 [10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? WHEREFORE IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH DAYS.

Hope this helps.

 

[JLB777]

Your scripture references are not a part of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant.

Then why do you keep referring to the law of Moses, to validate your doctrine?


I will be glad to agree to use only New Testament scriptures, if you will, then we will see if your doctrine is from God or from man.


Please show us where Jesus or His Apostles taught anyone, anywhere in the New Testament, that they must assemble to worship the Lord only on the Sabbath, and never on Sunday.


Please show us where Jesus or His Apostles taught anyone, anywhere in the New Testament, that they must not cook a meal, or wash their clothes or make their bed, or travel, or any of the things that the law of Moses forbids.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it...
Romans 14:5-6




JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Then why do you keep referring to the law of Moses, to validate your doctrine?

Sorry dear friend but I do not have a doctrine. I simply share God's Word. These are God's Words not my words. I do not refer to the laws of Moses. I have only shared Gods' Word and Gods' Laws with you through his Word. They are God's Word not my words. What is it that you do not believe?

I will be glad to agree to use only New Testament scriptures, if you will, then we will see if your doctrine is from God or from man.

The new testament does not delete the old testament scriptures. In the days of JESUS and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures. Together both the old testament and the new testament scriptures make up the Word of God and today we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *MATTHEW 4:4 because all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness *2 TIMOTHY 3:16. Do you not believe these scriptures dear friend and their application to the old testament scriptures? To me all scripture means all scripture. Do you believe these scriptures and if you do why do you have problems when old testament and new testament scriptures are shared with you?

Here how about we share both the new testament scriptures and the old tesament scriptures to which they came from in relation to God's LAW in the new testament? Now these are Gods' Word not mine. Will you believe them if I share them with you? If you say yes I will post these scriptures for you in the next post if you ignore my post or say no I will not bother to share these scriptures with you because even if I do you will not believe them. That sounds like a fair deal right?

Please show us where Jesus or His Apostles taught anyone, anywhere in the New Testament, that they must assemble to worship the Lord only on the Sabbath, and never on Sunday.

Why do you think JESUS or the Apostles taught anyone anywhere in the new Testament that they must assemble to worship God only on the Sabbath and never worship God any other day of the week? Who has ever claimed such thing? No one I know. What has this got to do with keeping God's 4th commandment Sabbath as a Holy day of rest? Nope nothing.

According to the scriptures the Apostles and disciples of JESUS gathered daily to break bread and share God's Word....

ACTS 2:46-47 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

This is never the problem as posted earlier sin is the problem. Sin is defined in God's Word as not believeing and following God's Word and breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments.

ROMANS 14:23 .... WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN

JAMES 2:10-12 [10], For WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], WHOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. If we knowingly break it by working on the Sabbath and not keeping the say as a holy day of rest, just like any other one of God's 10 commandments if we break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin. The seventh day Sabbath is a day that God has blessed and set apart as a Holy day of rest where no work is to be done.

Perhaps you need to re-read what God's 4th commandment says...

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Yep nothing to do with going to worshipping God on Sunday or not forbidding to worship God everyday of the week. God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken is about keeping the seventh day Sabbath as a Holy day of rest where no work is to be done.

Please show us where Jesus or His Apostles taught anyone, anywhere in the New Testament, that they must not cook a meal, or wash their clothes or make their bed, or travel, or any of the things that the law of Moses forbids.

There you go again dear friend thinking that the new testament scriptures deletes the old. If you believed all the scriptures you would not ask such questions. Do you not what that "PREPARATION DAY" before the Sabbath is? Perhaps you can google it.

MARK 15:42 And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, THAT IS THE DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH.

LUKE 23:54 And THAT DAY WAS THE PREPARATION AND THE SABBATH DREW ON.

JOHN 19:31 The Jews therefore, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION, THAT THE BODIES SHOULD NOT REMAIN ON THE CROSS ON THE SABBATH DAY, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) sought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

JOHN 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' PREPARATION DAY; for the sepulcher was near at hand.

Where do you think the "PREPARATION DAY IS" and where does it come from and how does it relate to cooking and domestic work that can be done on any other day of the week and the SABBATH commandment?

The origin of the "PREPARATION DAY" in the written word of God comes from EXODUS 16.

EXODUS 16:22-23 [22], And it came to pass, that ON THE SIXTH DAY THEY GATHERED TWICE AS MUCH BREAD (preparation day = 6th day), two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, TOMORROW IS THE REST OF THE HOLY SABBATH TO THE LORD: BAKE THAT WHICH YOU WILL BAKE TODAY (preparation day = 6th day), and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (sixth day), THAT IS THE DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH

The PREPARATION DAY IS THE SIXTH DAY OF THE WEEK AND THE DAY OR PREPARATION BEFORE THE SABBATH. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

So my dear friend if you do not delete the old testament scriptures how can you understand the new testament scriptures that the old testament points to?

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17

Sorry dear friend your just repeating yourself again Colossians 2 is not talking about the 10 commandments or God's 4th commandment it is talking about the annual ceremonial sabbaths that are connected to the annual feast days that can fall on any day of the week that are not God's 4th commandment.

If you disagree perhaps you would like to prove that COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 is talking about God's 4th commandment? For example there are many different types of sabbaths mentioned in the old testament scriptures.

Which sabbath is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about? Is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about....

1. The Sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8

2. The Sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32

3. The Sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?

4. The Sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36

5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39

6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week

7. The Sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2

8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54

9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3

If you knew the old testament scriptures dear friend you would know what Paul is referring to in COLOSSIANS 2:16 and it is not God's 4th commandment. Your mixing up the "SHADOW laws" from the MOSAIC book of the old covenant *EXODUS 24;7; HEBREWS 10:1-12 with God's "ETERNAL LAW" (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it... Romans 14:5-6

Soooo??? Where is the Sabbath spoken about in ROMANS 14? This was already addressed with a detail review of ROMANS 14 which you simply ignored in post # 67 linked that shows your trying to read the Sabbath into the scriptures when ROMANS 14 is not talking about the Sabbath. Just repeating yourself does not make God's Word disappear. If you disagree please prove from the scriptures that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment? As shown through the scriptures already provided (post # 67 linked) ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days in relation to eating and not eating (fasting) and judging others in this regard. There is no mention of Gods' 4th commandment or any other of the 10 commandments.

Looks like you have a bit of catching up to do dear friend. If you disagree with anything shared with you and the scriptures provided please show why?

Hope this helps

 

[Bob S]

No, but 2Cor 3:6 God makes us ministers of the New Testament not of the ten commandments, but of the Holy Spirit.
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, (ten commandments) but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, (ten commandments) but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, (ten commandments) written and engraven in stones, (ten commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, (ten commandments) much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. (Holy Spirit) 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, (ten commandments) by reason of the glory that excelleth. (Holy Spirit) 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, (ten commandments) much more that which remaineth is glorious. (Holy Spirit)

Most all that LGW copies and pastes into his posts have nothing to do with the subject being discussed. At first glance they do look impressive until we actually look up the verses, read the contents and wonder what they have to do with anything we are discussing. He likes to use verses that contain the word commandments and law hoping we will then think those verses are relating to the ten commandments. We would be at a loss to know what those words are referring to if Paul had not taken the time to write Eph 2:15, 2Cor3: 6-11, Col 2:16-17, Gal 3 1Jn 3:19-24 and so many more texts that tell us we are not under the laws of the old covenant.

Now Lgw will, if as in the past, will adamantly disagree with the meaning of the texts I provided. Thinking people can see that he cannot really deny the truth of those texts, so, if as in the past, he will then provide us with a huge batch of texts that he thinks will expose Paul as writing something he really didn't mean to write what he did thus hoping it will throw us off track.

 

[Jesse Johnson]

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[LoveGodsWord]

No, but 2Cor 3:6 God makes us ministers of the New Testament not of the ten commandments, but of the Holy Spirit.
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, (ten commandments) but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, (ten commandments) but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, (ten commandments) written and engraven in stones, (ten commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, (ten commandments) much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. (Holy Spirit) 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, (ten commandments) by reason of the glory that excelleth. (Holy Spirit) 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, (ten commandments) much more that which remaineth is glorious. (Holy Spirit)

Most all that LGW copies and pastes into his posts have nothing to do with the subject being discussed. At first glance they do look impressive until we actually look up the verses, read the contents and wonder what they have to do with anything we are discussing. He likes to use verses that contain the word commandments and law hoping we will then think those verses are relating to the ten commandments. We would be at a loss to know what those words are referring to if Paul had not taken the time to write Eph 2:15, 2Cor3: 6-11, Col 2:16-17, Gal 3 1Jn 3:19-24 and so many more texts that tell us we are not under the laws of the old covenant.

Now Lgw will, if as in the past, will adamantly disagree with the meaning of the texts I provided. Thinking people can see that he cannot really deny the truth of those texts, so, if as in the past, he will then provide us with a huge batch of texts that he thinks will expose Paul as writing something he really didn't mean to write what he did thus hoping it will throw us off track.

Sorry Bob, I believe your only repeating yourself here. This has already been addressed in detail many times already showing through the scriptures alone why I believe your interpretation of 2 CORINTHIANS 3:6 to God's 10 commandments being abolished is not biblical. If you disagree your welcome to address my previous posts and scriptures shared with you on this topic showing why your application is in error. All you have done is to ignore my posts and scriptures provided and shared in love and as a help to you and repeated the same things that have already been responded to which are your same old copy and pastes.

As shown earlier I believe for me, the context of 2 CORINTHIANS 3 is to the two covenants starting with the letter of the law that leads to the Spirit of the law which is written on the heart to love which is referring to God's new covenant promise in HEBREWS 8:10-12 from JEREMIASH 31:31-34.

This is shown in the context of 2 CORINTHIANS 3:6 in 2 CORINTHIANS 3:3 [3], For as much as you are manifestly declared to be the letter of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

For me you seem to ignore this scripture Bob and the rest of the chapter which is the topic of discussion and make Paul a hypocrite elsewere in your intepretation that the 10 commandments are abolished when Paul writes the opposite of your claims in 1 CORINTHIANS 7:19; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 6:1-23; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 and elsewhere. We have not even started on the rest of the new testament scriptures or the rest of Paul's writings that disagree with your interpretation of a single scripture pulled from it's context.

The rest of your post Bob is unfounded so I feel no burden to respond to it. You are free to believe as you wish dear friend. We will have to agree to disagree on this one and remain friends. We all stand before God come judgement day.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[JLB777]

Sorry dear friend but I do not have a doctrine. I simply share God's Word. These are God's Words not my words. I do not refer to the laws of Moses. I have only shared Gods' Word and Gods' Laws with you through his Word. They are God's Word not my words. What is it that you do not believe?

I dont believe the Church is under the law of Moses.


How about you?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Sorry dear friend but I do not have a doctrine. I simply share God's Word. These are God's Words not my words. I do not refer to the laws of Moses. I have only shared Gods' Word and Gods' Laws with you through his Word. They are God's Word not my words. What is it that you do not believe?

The new testament does not delete the old testament scriptures. In the days of JESUS and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures. Together both the old testament and the new testament scriptures make up the Word of God and today we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *MATTHEW 4:4 because all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness *2 TIMOTHY 3:16. Do you not believe these scriptures dear friend and their application to the old testament scriptures? To me all scripture means all scripture. Do you believe these scriptures and if you do why do you have problems when old testament and new testament scriptures are shared with you?

Here how about we share both the new testament scriptures and the old tesament scriptures to which they came from in relation to God's LAW in the new testament? Now these are Gods' Word not mine. Will you believe them if I share them with you? If you say yes I will post these scriptures for you in the next post if you ignore my post or say no I will not bother to share these scriptures with you because even if I do you will not believe them. That sounds like a fair deal right?

Why do you think JESUS or the Apostles taught anyone anywhere in the new Testament that they must assemble to worship God only on the Sabbath and never worship God any other day of the week? Who has ever claimed such thing? No one I know. What has this got to do with keeping God's 4th commandment Sabbath as a Holy day of rest? Nope nothing.

According to the scriptures the Apostles and disciples of JESUS gathered daily to break bread and share God's Word....

ACTS 2:46-47 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

This is never the problem as posted earlier sin is the problem. Sin is defined in God's Word as not believeing and following God's Word and breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments.

ROMANS 14:23 .... WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN

JAMES 2:10-12 [10], For WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], WHOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. If we knowingly break it by working on the Sabbath and not keeping the say as a holy day of rest, just like any other one of God's 10 commandments if we break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin. The seventh day Sabbath is a day that God has blessed and set apart as a Holy day of rest where no work is to be done.

Perhaps you need to re-read what God's 4th commandment says...

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Yep nothing to do with going to worshipping God on Sunday or not forbidding to worship God everyday of the week. God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken is about keeping the seventh day Sabbath as a Holy day of rest where no work is to be done.

There you go again dear friend thinking that the new testament scriptures deletes the old. If you believed all the scriptures you would not ask such questions. Do you not what that "PREPARATION DAY" before the Sabbath is? Perhaps you can google it.

MARK 15:42 And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, THAT IS THE DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH.

LUKE 23:54 And THAT DAY WAS THE PREPARATION AND THE SABBATH DREW ON.

JOHN 19:31 The Jews therefore, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION, THAT THE BODIES SHOULD NOT REMAIN ON THE CROSS ON THE SABBATH DAY, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) sought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

JOHN 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' PREPARATION DAY; for the sepulcher was near at hand.

Where do you think the "PREPARATION DAY IS" and where does it come from and how does it relate to cooking and domestic work that can be done on any other day of the week and the SABBATH commandment?

The origin of the "PREPARATION DAY" in the written word of God comes from EXODUS 16.

EXODUS 16:22-23 [22], And it came to pass, that ON THE SIXTH DAY THEY GATHERED TWICE AS MUCH BREAD (preparation day = 6th day), two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, TOMORROW IS THE REST OF THE HOLY SABBATH TO THE LORD: BAKE THAT WHICH YOU WILL BAKE TODAY (preparation day = 6th day), and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (sixth day), THAT IS THE DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH

The PREPARATION DAY IS THE SIXTH DAY OF THE WEEK AND THE DAY OR PREPARATION BEFORE THE SABBATH. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

So my dear friend if you do not delete the old testament scriptures how can you understand the new testament scriptures that the old testament points to?

Sorry dear friend your just repeating yourself again Colossians 2 is not talking about the 10 commandments or God's 4th commandment it is talking about the annual ceremonial sabbaths that are connected to the annual feast days that can fall on any day of the week that are not God's 4th commandment.

If you disagree perhaps you would like to prove that COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 is talking about God's 4th commandment? For example there are many different types of sabbaths mentioned in the old testament scriptures.

Which sabbath is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about? Is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about....

1. The Sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8

2. The Sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32

3. The Sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?

4. The Sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36

5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39

6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week

7. The Sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2

8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54

9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3

If you knew the old testament scriptures dear friend you would know what Paul is referring to in COLOSSIANS 2:16 and it is not God's 4th commandment. Your mixing up the "SHADOW laws" from the MOSAIC book of the old covenant *EXODUS 24;7; HEBREWS 10:1-12 with God's "ETERNAL LAW" (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Soooo??? Where is the Sabbath spoken about in ROMANS 14? This was already addressed with a detail review of ROMANS 14 which you simply ignored in post # 67 linked that shows your trying to read the Sabbath into the scriptures when ROMANS 14 is not talking about the Sabbath. Just repeating yourself does not make God's Word disappear. If you disagree please prove from the scriptures that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment? As shown through the scriptures already provided (post # 67 linked) ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days in relation to eating and not eating (fasting) and judging others in this regard. There is no mention of Gods' 4th commandment or any other of the 10 commandments.

Looks like you have a bit of catching up to do dear friend. If you disagree with anything shared with you and the scriptures provided please show why?

Hope this helps

Why do you keep referring to Moses law?


Do you believe Christians must keep the law of Moses in order to be saved?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Soooo??? Where is the Sabbath spoken about in ROMANS 14? This was already addressed with a detail review of ROMANS 14 which you simply ignored in post # 67 linked that shows your trying to read the Sabbath into the scriptures when ROMANS 14 is not talking about the Sabbath. Just repeating yourself does not make God's Word disappear. If you disagree please prove from the scriptures that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment? As shown through the scriptures already provided (post # 67 linked) ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days in relation to eating and not eating (fasting) and judging others in this regard. There is no mention of Gods' 4th commandment or any other of the 10 commandments.

Looks like you have a bit of catching up to do dear friend. If you disagree with anything shared with you and the scriptures provided please show why?

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
Romans 14:5


Is the Sabbath a day?

Ignoring what the scripture teaches us, won’t change it.


Please explain why you believe the Sabbath isn’t a day?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Sorry dear friend your just repeating yourself again Colossians 2 is not talking about the 10 commandments or God's 4th commandment it is talking about the annual ceremonial sabbaths that are connected to the annual feast days that can fall on any day of the week that are not God's 4th commandment.

If you disagree perhaps you would like to prove that COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 is talking about God's 4th commandment? For example there are many different types of sabbaths mentioned in the old testament scriptures.

Which sabbath is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about? Is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about....

Sabbaths. All Sabbaths.

Any Sabbath you can mention.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


Any Sabbath that is mentioned in the law of Moses.


The Law of Moses was abolished in His flesh, having been nailed to the cross and taken out of the way.


Do you believe it’s a sin to eat pork or shrimp?


It’s the same reference of context as Sabbaths.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


Do you believe you must keep all the Old Testament feasts, it’s the same frame of reference as well as Sabbaths.


Either the law of Moses was abolished, or you must keep all of it.


Not just the Sabbaths.


Do you believe Christian’s must observe the law of Moses to be saved?



JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why do you keep referring to Moses law?


Do you believe Christians must keep the law of Moses in order to be saved?




JLB

Why do you keep referring to the law of Moses? Do yo beleive Christians can be saved in known unrepentant sin?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
Romans 14:5


Is the Sabbath a day?

Ignoring what the scripture teaches us, won’t change it.


Please explain why you believe the Sabbath isn’t a day?




JLB

Your repeating yourself again without addressing anything in the post you are quoting from.
Soooo??? Where is the Sabbath spoken about in ROMANS 14? This was already addressed with a detail review of ROMANS 14 which you simply ignored in post # 67 linked that shows your trying to read the Sabbath into the scriptures when ROMANS 14 is not talking about the Sabbath. Just repeating yourself does not make God's Word disappear. If you disagree please prove from the scriptures that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment? As shown through the scriptures already provided (post # 67 linked) ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days in relation to eating and not eating (fasting) and judging others in this regard. There is no mention of Gods' 4th commandment or any other of the 10 commandments.

Looks like you have a bit of catching up to do dear friend. If you disagree with anything shared with you and the scriptures provided please show why?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sabbaths. All Sabbaths.

Any Sabbath you can mention.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


Any Sabbath that is mentioned in the law of Moses.


The Law of Moses was abolished in His flesh, having been nailed to the cross and taken out of the way.


Do you believe it’s a sin to eat pork or shrimp?


It’s the same reference of context as Sabbaths.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


Do you believe you must keep all the Old Testament feasts, it’s the same frame of reference as well as Sabbaths.


Either the law of Moses was abolished, or you must keep all of it.


Not just the Sabbaths.

COLOSSIANS 2:16 does not say all sabbaths. It says the sabbaths in relation to the annual feast days.


Do you believe Christian’s must observe the law of Moses to be saved?



JLB

Sorry dear friend your just repeating yourself again Colossians 2 is not talking about the 10 commandments or God's 4th commandment it is talking about the annual ceremonial sabbaths that are connected to the annual feast days that can fall on any day of the week that are not God's 4th commandment.

If you disagree perhaps you would like to prove that COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 is talking about God's 4th commandment? For example there are many different types of sabbaths mentioned in the old testament scriptures.

Which sabbath is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about? Is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about....

1. The Sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8

2. The Sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32

3. The Sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?

4. The Sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36

5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39

6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week

7. The Sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2

8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54

9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3

If you knew the old testament scriptures dear friend you would know what Paul is referring to in COLOSSIANS 2:16 and it is not God's 4th commandment. Your mixing up the "SHADOW laws" from the MOSAIC book of the old covenant *EXODUS 24;7; HEBREWS 10:1-12 with God's "ETERNAL LAW" (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Hope this helps.

 

[Cribstyl]

Why do you keep referring to the law of Moses? Do yo beleive Christians can be saved in known unrepentant sin?

Based on the length of some of your posts. A simple answer is needed rather than questions.
What do you mean by The Law of Moses?

 

[Cribstyl]

Why do you keep referring to the law of Moses? Do yo beleive Christians can be saved in known unrepentant sin?

Some people argue that the ten commandments are not in the law of Moses. You're being asked that question for clarity sake.
No one believes that you can be saved by not repenting of sins.

 

[Cribstyl]

Do you have a friend that talks and talks endlessly? They want to be the source of wisdom about everything, until you ask them a specific question.