Origin of God's Morality.

[rockytopva]

The universe will dis-associate into plasma and re-associate back into mass one more time... And very soon!

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

 

[HitchSlap]

The universe will dis-associate into plasma and re-associate back into mass one more time... And very soon!

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

"Big wheel in the sky keeps on turning, I don't know where I'll be tomorrow."

 

[aiki]

The Moral Argument:

Selah.

 

[rockytopva]

"Big wheel in the sky keeps on turning, I don't know where I'll be tomorrow."

The whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. - Romans 8

The mass awaits with anticipation the great dis-association where it will return to plasma energy and return to the creator.

 

[HitchSlap]

The whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. - Romans 8

The mass awaits with anticipation the great dis-association where it will return to plasma energy and return to the creator.

"So I get on my knees and pray, we won't get fooled again."

 

[Root of Jesse]

What is the punishment for freely deciding not to reciprocate this "love"?

You get what you wish for...

 

[Root of Jesse]

Don't forget the gnashing of teeth, burning lake of fire, etc.

When you become eternally separated from God, then find out that he is everything we believe, and much, much more, you will gnash your teeth, you will think you're burning from lack of God's grace. The hell is more internal than external.

 

[Root of Jesse]

If God punishes someone, it is not because they did not love Him. It is because they have committed iniquity.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of the triune God, therefore all stand condemned. And all will be judged and punished according to their deeds and what they have done with their body and in their body. God's standard is perfection. None are perfect, so all need Christ's work on the cross applied to their sin debt in order to cancel it. God is His providence reveals Himself and manifests Himself to some and to others He hides Himself. It is all up to God's sovereign prerogative.

All men know what God requires of them for He has made it known to them in that He has given everyone a conscience. Those who obey the voice of conscience and seek and pursue righteousness, God reveals Himself in ever increasing measure. Those who harden their heart to the voice of conscience, what little light they have, will be taken from them and God leaves them to their own devices and shame.

Their foolish hearts become darkened along with their minds. Such men have rejected what light they have been given and thus, they choose eternal separation from the source of the light. If God is merciful and gracious to them, He draws them. If He chooses not to, He has committed no evil or wrong in allowing them that hate the light to abide eternally in the darkness.

You cannot love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and also sin. So if you're committing iniquity, you're not loving God the way God demands. God's grace is a gift freely given by Him, undeserving as we are, but we must strive for that goal, even if we fall short. It's the one who gives up in despair who loses God's grace.

 

[Root of Jesse]

So not very often, then?

I realize the truth is uncomfortable, especially to those who don't live it, but just because you disagree doesn't mean he's wrong.

 

[bhsmte]

I realize the truth is uncomfortable, especially to those who don't live it, but just because you disagree doesn't mean he's wrong.

Verifiable truth can be demonstrated. Anyone claiming truth, is free to demonstrate the same.

 

[HitchSlap]

When you become eternally separated from God, then find out that he is everything we believe, and much, much more, you will gnash your teeth, you will think you're burning from lack of God's grace. The hell is more internal than external.

This is an opinion. I'm interested in evidence. Do you have any?

 

[HitchSlap]

I realize the truth is uncomfortable, especially to those who don't live it, but just because you disagree doesn't mean he's wrong.

Truth is the degree to which a statement comports with reality.
If he, or you, have any facts to back his assertions, I'm interested.

 

[Root of Jesse]

So Yahweh doesn't respect free will, contrary to what you implied.

No, he does. He allows you free will, whatever you love, even if it's not him. He gives it to you willingly. He does withdraw Himself. If you come back to him, he welcomes you with open arms, but there is a point in time where you can't change your mind any more.

 

[Root of Jesse]

This is an opinion. I'm interested in evidence. Do you have any?

It's not an opinion at all. It's a statement from God, the one you quoted. It's a fact you don't accept, I understand that. If I thought there might be fruit here worth picking, I could go on, but I don't see it...

 

[Root of Jesse]

Truth is the degree to which a statement comports with reality.
If he, or you, have any facts to back his assertions, I'm interested.

Truth is Jesus. The facts are in the Gospel.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Verifiable truth can be demonstrated. Anyone claiming truth, is free to demonstrate the same.

Truth cannot always be verified. That doesn't make it any less truth. I used to be into pornography, and I got caught by my wife. To this day, 10 years later, she distrusts me, for good reason. I haven't partaken of pornography for 10 years, that's the truth, and it can't be verified. I can only show her absence of it on my computer. She will still distrust me, but I am still living the truth. Unverifiable.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Verifiable truth can be demonstrated. Anyone claiming truth, is free to demonstrate the same.

It will be demonstrated but by that time it will be too late to do anything about it....

 

[civilwarbuff]

It's not an opinion at all. It's a statement from God, the one you quoted. It's a fact you don't accept, I understand that. If I thought there might be fruit here worth picking, I could go on, but I don't see it...

You would have to climb very high in that tree to pick fruit and even then there is a good chance it would be rotten.

 

[bhsmte]

It will be demonstrated but by that time it will be too late to do anything about it....

Sounds like your opinion, which is cool.

Let me ask though; any chance you could be wrong about this, or is it 100% guaranteed to happen as you say?

 

[bhsmte]

Truth cannot always be verified. That doesn't make it any less truth. I used to be into pornography, and I got caught by my wife. To this day, 10 years later, she distrusts me, for good reason. I haven't partaken of pornography for 10 years, that's the truth, and it can't be verified. I can only show her absence of it on my computer. She will still distrust me, but I am still living the truth. Unverifiable.

Ok.

So when you cant verify something, but still believe it to be true, isnit possible you could be mistaken?