Only Conservatives Should Own Guns!

[Loudmouth]

Something something tyranny something something Obama in bed with commie muslim nazis.

Indeed. They often scream of the tyranny they live under . . . all the way to the voting booth.

 

[RedDead1981]

What an obnoxious thread.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Because we are going to be attacked by their armies?

That is a stretch to dig from my post. Got any more off the wall comments?

 

[variant]

As if there aren't liberals who disagree with democrats on guns.

As if all democrats are liberals (historically).

What an obnoxious thread.

Indeed. Even attacking your friends.

Claiming that John Wilkes Booth was a liberal? Strange, disturbingly wrong, and mean spirited.

 

[abdAlSalam]

Claiming that John Wilkes Booth was a liberal?

This seems to be a running theme in conservative circles. Democrats were always the libs, nothing changes, we are the real racists, etc.

 

[variant]

This seems to be a running theme in conservative circles. Democrats were always the libs, nothing changes, we are the real racists, etc.

It takes an insane amount of not paying attention to think that southern democrats during the civil war era were liberals.

That someone could get past such an idea without thinking twice in posting it as a fact...

It's disheartening.

 

[abdAlSalam]

It takes an insane amount of not paying attention to think that southern democrats during the civil war era were liberals.

That someone could get past such an idea without thinking twice in posting it as a fact...

It's disheartening.

I feel bad for doing this since youve been around longer than I have but,

Welcome to CF-American Politics

 

[variant]

I feel bad for doing this since youve been around longer than I have but,

Welcome to CF-American Politics

Knowing what I am often dealing with and having it rubbed unceremoniously in my face are two different things.

 

[Savior2006]

I beg to differ. I'll leave it there.

I've already addressed such comments in my posts, and the kinds of people that leave them, and I'll leave that THERE. It's funny how right on cue it was. It's funny how people pretend to know on the internet what count as a mental disease.

 

[jgarden]

A conservative is one who admires radicals centuries after they're dead.
- Leo Rosten

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/conservative_3.html

Only Conservatives Should Own Guns!

How quick our conservative "friends" forget - the Founding Fathers, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights were all considered to be "liberal" by 18thC standards by attempting to take political power out of the hands of the traditional power elites - the kings, aristocracy and the religious "establishment."

 

[super animator]

Only Conservatives Should Own Guns!

How quick our conservative "friends" forget -the Founding Fathers, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights were all considered to be "liberal" by 18thC standards by attempting to take political power out of the hands of the kings, aristocracy and the religious "establishment."

The words back then don't necessarily mean the same thing today.

 

[Creech]

Only Conservatives Should Own Guns!

How quick our conservative "friends" forget - the Founding Fathers, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights were all considered to be "liberal" by 18thC standards by attempting to take political power out of the hands of the traditional power elites - the kings, aristocracy and the religious "establishment."

I would disagree. Even though many founding fathers embraced the Enlightenment and were very liberal and progressives, there were also many founding fathers who rejected the Enlightenment and held to a traditional worldview.

 

[jgarden]

The words back then don't necessarily mean the same thing today.

You can't have it both ways, are we to believe that it was 18thC "conservatives" that were advocating a constitutional democracy, separation of powers, separation of church and state, freedom of expression, etc.

 

[variant]

I would disagree. Even though many founding fathers embraced the Enlightenment and were very liberal and progressives, there were also many founding fathers who rejected the Enlightenment and held to a traditional worldview.

The founding fathers were the liberal radicals of their day no matter how you slice it and the American revolution was largely justified based upon enlightenment ideals.

 

[Creech]

The founding fathers were the liberal radicals of their day no matter how you slice it and the American revolution was largely justified based upon enlightenment ideals.

Not necessarily true. Rebelling against an established government may be radical, but not liberal. That is like calling the nationalist forces during the Spanish Civil War liberal, which they clearly were not.

 

[variant]

Not necessarily true. Rebelling against an established government may be radical, but not liberal. That is like calling the nationalist forces during the Spanish Civil War liberal, which they clearly were not.

Considering their stated goals of instituting a liberal democratic republic we can pretty much put this one to rest.

The mere act of comparing the American colonial rebels with the fascist of the Spanish civil war is pretty odd too.

 

[Creech]

Considering their stated goals of instituting a liberal democratic republic we can pretty much put this one to rest.

The mere act of comparing the American colonial rebels with the fascist of the Spanish civil war is pretty odd too.

It was not intended to be a liberal democratic Republic. Only a very select group of people around the nation even had the right to vote.

 

[variant]

It was not intended to be a liberal democratic Republic. Only a very select group of people around the nation even had the right to vote.

Which was, for it's time, a radical liberal idea. Popular sovereignty and liberal democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_sovereignty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

To say that the founders were fascists or even conservatives is ridiculous.

The conservatives of the day were preaching the divine right of kings.

 

[Creech]

Which was, for it's time, a radical liberal idea. Popular sovereignty and liberal democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_sovereignty

Liberal democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To say that the founders were fascists or even conservatives is ridiculous.

The conservatives of the day were preaching the divine right of kings.

The British government was already heavily impacted by many of these ideas. Surely many of the founding fathers were indeed liberal progressives, but to say that all of them are is just ignoring the truth. Many founding fathers had a very traditional world view.

 

[variant]

The British government was already heavily impacted by many of these ideas. Surely many of the founding fathers were indeed liberal progressives, but to say that all of them are is just ignoring the truth. Many founding fathers had a very traditional world view.

The British government contained the seeds of modern liberalism but was still steeped in monarchy.

Traditionalists don't get to be the first overthrow kings and declare independence based upon enlightenment ideals.

Even the most conservative of the rebel founders was still a liberal of his day.