Online Jihad

[Bubbi]

"Afghanistan and Iraq are half a world away from the United States, but the most important front in the war on terror may just be a mouse click away. Correspondent Scott Pelly takes an in-depth look at the world of Jihad online, including how ordinary Americans are fighting back. "

60 minutes
Check out the clips
http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/47/jihad_online

Bushes counter-terrorism efforts vs political correctness...........

 

[Voegelin]

They should put up a transcript.

 

[TimmyPage]

Ugh. Pure propaganda. They let you play games like Americas army where you are still killing "Extremists" and generally Islamic looking people, but if they have a similar game it's "training them for war"?

That entire thing annoyed me.

 

[burrow_owl]

This way the chickenhawks can pretend they're doing something.

 

[soblessed53]

"Afghanistan and Iraq are half a world away from the United States, but the most important front in the war on terror may just be a mouse click away. Correspondent Scott Pelly takes an in-depth look at the world of Jihad online, including how ordinary Americans are fighting back. "

60 minutes
Check out the clips
http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/47/jihad_online

Bushes counter-terrorism efforts vs political correctness...........

Excellent link,God Bless you for helping to get the word out sis! BTW for any who have the Discovery Times cable channel,which I have with digital cable,but don't know if satellite carries it,be sure to catch their special Jihad.com-The New Al-Qaeda! It is an eye-opener.

BTW, have you all noticed how if you do an online search for a story about Islamic terrorism,or radical Islam,or even Israel,most of the results you get have nothing to do with terrorists,or radical Islam,and only bad-mouth Israel, Jews, and the U.S.,and is favorable to Muslims,and Islam? Now you know why! Call Homeland Security and complain!

 

[soblessed53]

 

[[serious]]

If the terrorists hate us for our freedoms, and we give up our freedoms to beat them, who has really won?

Anything that is allowed for organizations such as the KKK and Nazi groups can't really be reasonably censored just because a terrorist or anti-american is saying it.

 

[Museveni]

Oneside BS at it's best. Also kind of like how they appear to have "just discovered" these pages while atleast the Swedish military have known of these networks since the mid-90s when Internet first became big.

Ugh. Pure propaganda. They let you play games like Americas army where you are still killing "Extremists" and generally Islamic looking people, but if they have a similar game it's "training them for war"?

That entire thing annoyed me.

Americas Army is a recruitment program and designed to show kids the "glory and fullfilment" of serving your country. I'd even say it tops these Jihadist programs on the screw up things list.

Also should we take the same precautions against sites advocating the same sh't but in the name of different religeons? Mentaly disabled lunatics like Jack Chick comes to mind and there are plenty more.

 

[soblessed53]

 

[[serious]]

No one is saying anything about giving up "our" freedoms,we just want these foaming at the mouth,bloodthirsty, radical Islamic,pyschos,off our websites, and the U.S. internet.
This is interesting as well.

http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD150807

And how does one distinguish? Any of these pages can get mirrored within the US so how would we block them with ANY efficacy without abridging those same freedoms we defend even for groups as bad as the KKK?

 

[soblessed53]

By tracing these creeps through their IP! Homeland Security already has caught some and sent them to prison. They also have other ways.

 

[[serious]]

By tracing these creeps through their IP! Homeland Security already has caught some and sent them to prison. They also have other ways.

if they were caught and sent to prison, that implies they were in the US. As such, it would be abridging the rights of those in the US.

 

[Bubbi]

It is a fine line we walk to make sure we do not give away our freedoms out of fear but at the same time we know the terror groups use our freedoms agaisnt us in order to spread their Jihad--the internet is but another tool.

America is divided between the political correct islolationists and those that see the need to fight terror.
Imo it is a grave error to think that once Bush is gone and we are out of Iraq--that terror will end.

Al-Qaeda plots to bring down UK internet:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1496831.ece

 

[ScottishJohn]

No one is saying anything about giving up "our" freedoms,we just want these foaming at the mouth,bloodthirsty, radical Islamic,pyschos,off our websites, and the U.S. internet.

lol irony meter...

Freedom of speech. Let them say what they like, if they are 'foaming at the mouth bloodthirsty radical Islamic psychos' (hmmm, after that sentence who wouldn't have a bit of foam around the mouth!!) then let them show the world that this is what they are.

 

[soblessed53]

lol irony meter...

Freedom of speech. Let them say what they like, if they are 'foaming at the mouth bloodthirsty radical Islamic psychos' (hmmm, after that sentence who wouldn't have a bit of foam around the mouth!!) then let them show the world that this is what they are.

They are already showing the world that is exactly what they are! 32 countries with incidents of radical Islamic terrorism isn't enough for you?

 

[ScottishJohn]

They are already showing the world that is exactly what they are! 32 countries with incidents of radical Islamic terrorism isn't enough for you?

What has that got to do with anything?

You said ' No one is saying anything about giving up "our" freedoms ' then described an action which involves compromising freedom of speech. Address the contradiction before we head off down a tangent.

 

[soblessed53]

I am not a computer tech,and if you haven't seen the Discovery Times Special Jihad.com-The New Al-Qaeda,that's too bad,because I cannot explain it,but one woman was responsible for catching one Jihadist she met on a website,and realized what he was. She called Homeland Security and volunteered to work with them,and they set a trap for him.

You can cry-baby about freedom of speech all you want to,but I could care-less what it takes to catch these murderers,as long as it does the job. "Total Freedom is Total Chaos",and you don't even live in my country anyway, so HOW DARE YOU try to cause dissention here! Stick to griping about Scotland!

 

[[serious]]

I am not a computer tech,and if you haven't seen the Discovery Times Special Jihad.com-The New Al-Qaeda,that's too bad,because I cannot explain it,but one woman was responsible for catching one Jihadist she met on a website,and realized what he was. She called Homeland Security and volunteered to work with them,and they set a trap for him.

You can cry-baby about freedom of speech all you want to,but I could care-less what it takes to catch these murderers,as long as it does the job. "Total Freedom is Total Chaos",and you don't even live in my country anyway, so HOW DARE YOU try to cause dissention here! Stick to griping about Scotland!

There is a world of difference between arresting someone for a crime and arresting someone for an opinion. Listening to someone that is exercising their freedom of speech and then using the evidence they provide to arrest them for a crime is fine. They aren't getting arrested for their speech, but for an action.

Also, if allowing them to speak allows us a way to get needed evidence to arrest them, wouldn't we want them to speak?

 

[ScottishJohn]

I am not a computer tech,and if you haven't seen the Discovery Times Special Jihad.com-The New Al-Qaeda,that's too bad,because I cannot explain it,but one woman was responsible for catching one Jihadist she met on a website,and realized what he was. She called Homeland Security and volunteered to work with them,and they set a trap for him.

I really cannot see an argument here. What is it here that is supposed to follow on from anything I or you have said previously?

You can cry-baby about freedom of speech all you want to,but I could care-less

Well thats fine. We have it here in print. You don't care about freedoms. You are quite happy for the US to become the land of the ... (nothing)

what it takes to catch these murderers,as long as it does the job.

How about you just lock up the entire population of the world. That will do the job.

"Total Freedom is Total Chaos",

You seem to have managed fine with freedom of speech up until now, hasn't resulted in chaos. Total freedom isn't really what is being advocated, is it? We are addressing the loss of an existing hard won freedom, aren't we? So total freedom is irrelevant, isn't it?

and you don't even live in my country anyway, so HOW DARE YOU try to cause dissention here!

You don't live in 'my' country, so what? We are on the internet, where there are no borders. Your approach to information and debate appears to be somewhat Stalinist. No room for disagreement. We can both say what we want in a grown up manner, at least until the FBI pay some troll to shut us down. I am not trying to cause dissent, the dissent exists whether I post here or not, because some people in 'your' country value their freedoms. In any case, I can say what I choose about America and if you disagree with it, you are free to explain why. It is all very civilised and free.

Stick to griping about Scotland!

I do gripe about Scotland, but there is a whole different forum for that.

 

[ScottishJohn]

It is a fine line we walk to make sure we do not give away our freedoms out of fear but at the same time we know the terror groups use our freedoms agaisnt us in order to spread their Jihad--the internet is but another tool.

The best way we can help the terrorists is to keep doing what we are doing - hand over our freedoms to no end - keep providing them with propaganda for their recruitment drives by invading countries in the middle east and torturing and killing - keep treating the middle east like it belongs to us - that should ensure another 50 years of violence. What freedoms have the terrorists actually used against us?

America is divided between the political correct islolationists and those that see the need to fight terror.

Do you know, that not once in the history of the world has a terrorist threat been solved in the long term by force? What does that tell you about the 'war on terror?'

Imo it is a grave error to think that once Bush is gone and we are out of Iraq--that terror will end.

I don't think many people think that this is the case. I myself am against withdrawal from Iraq for precisely that reason. We do need a new strategy though, this one is nearly 6 years old and shows no sign of actually working, according to the NCTC terrorism has increased 5500% since the invasion of Iraq.

Al-Qaeda plots to bring down UK internet:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1496831.ece

How is that using our freedoms against us?