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It means that the doctrine is not important. If you realize you are a sinner in need of salvation and trust Jesus for your salvation, thus receiving the new birth, whether you think of God as a Trinity or Unity does not affect your salvation. I know Christians in both camps with the new birth. It is a doubtful disputation.How does that apply to Oneness Pentecostalism?
Because when Jesus was still walking as the Son of Man the sacrifice was not made yet but after that..
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
The Holy Ghost was only given us after the crucifixion and resurrection.
Yet we are still one, the flesh speaks with the spirit, the spirit with the soul, and the soul back again to the flesh but all are still one then? The flesh desires one thing, the spirit another, and the soul yet another still? Or do each of our parts have one collective mind? Or do each have a mind of their own?
It would only make sense if They were distinct persons.
It means that the doctrine is not important. If you realize you are a sinner in need of salvation and trust Jesus for your salvation, thus receiving the new birth, whether you think of God as a Trinity or Unity does not affect your salvation. I know Christians in both camps with the new birth. It is a doubtful disputation.
There is the mystery. Why? Because the Father has distinct existence/life, as does the Son and Holy Spirit. The Scriptures testify of this. Christ is bodily risen from the dead and now glorified sitting at the Right Hand of the Father. The Holy Spirit testifies of this.So it would be one person since it is one existence/life, in one God.
Goodnight brother
Persons implies that they are three distinct people but Godliness is one Father son Holy spirit as YHWH, they are not separate but one God performing three operations at the same time.
So it would be one person since it is one existence/life, in one God.
Goodnight brother
That's me! Branhamite! And proud to be one. If you have any questions, feel free to ask
That's me! Branhamite! And proud to be one. If you have any questions, feel free to ask
There is the mystery. Why? Because the Father has distinct existence/life, as does the Son and Holy Spirit. The Scriptures testify of this. Christ is bodily risen from the dead and now glorified sitting at the Right Hand of the Father. The Holy Spirit testifies of this.
Actually Deity. As in Colossians 2:9 the fullness of Deity dwells in Christ bodily.Although I don't defend unitarianism the word translated as "Godhead" does not implicate a plural natured God. The word is "theios" and it is the adjective form of the word for God (theos) a more literal translation would be "god-like" or even "the god thing" or better yet "divine" and more abstractly in the case of a substantive "divinity"
Please forgive me but that makes no sense.Because when Jesus was still walking as the Son of Man the sacrifice was not made yet but after that..
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
The Holy Ghost was only given us after the crucifixion and resurrection.
Yes. That is the Trinity.
The incarnation is easy! God revealed Himself to us as a man.
The WORD, which is the thought of God, became flesh.
The breath of God is the Holy Spirit....this is how it could be understood since all were with and in God from the very beginning. No one was added to God, they always existed.
God had tried to explain Himself to us from the beginning with the Prophets, Kings (which He didn't even want) Moses, etc. and then finally, He sent His only Son as was promised in Genesis 3:17. God had to become one of us so He could explain to us in our own language. There are analogies to this I used to use...the bird flying around in the house and hitting into windows; the ants falling off a cliff. In each case a human had to become either a bird of an ant to warn them of the danger. This is what God did for us.
Also, if Jesus is NOT God, we're worshipping a man!
But Thomas said: My Lord and My God.
Thomas certainly knew!
Actually Deity. As in Colossians 2:9 the fullness of Deity dwells in Christ bodily.
Colossians 2: NASB
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
Underlined is actually theotēs:
Strong's G2320 - theotēs
Outline of Biblical Usage:
- deity
- the state of being God, Godhead
Agreed on everything...I am so glad you believe Jesus is God. So many today deny that truth. Yet, some wrongfully think Jesus is the Father in the fact that the Father just puts on a mask as the Son (Jesus). So it is not really Jesus but the Father. Others believe the Son (Jesus) is also the Father and the Son merely put on a mask so as to be the Father. Jesus is still God to them, but Christ is not exactly as described as we see Him in Scripture. If what they say is true (in the fact that the Trinity is false): This means Jesus was putting on a show (kind of like an actor) and was pretending to talk with another persona of Himself when in reality He was only talking with Himself and He was not really making any kind of requests to the Father but only to Himself. So when Jesus says to take this cup away from to the Father (if it be possible), it really does not mean that (for those who deny the Trinity).
As for your statement that the Holy Ghost is the breath of God. While Jesus did breath the Holy Ghost upon His disciples, this does not mean, that the Holy Ghost is not a unique person. The Holy Ghost is a distinct persona or person within the Trinity or Godhead.
The Holy Spirit is called God:
“Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).
The Holy Spirit is on equal level with being God:
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19).
The Holy Spirit is eternal:
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).
The Holy Spirit is a person:
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;” (John 14:16).
The Holy Spirit can be grieved:
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30).
The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed:
“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).
Important Note: Only God can be blasphemed.
The Father Sent The Holy Spirit
The Bible says that God the Father sent the Holy Spirit:
The Father will send the Holy Spirit, not Himself, to help believers:
Jesus said,
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you (John 14:26).
There Is A Difference Between The Father And The Holy Spirit:
The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father.
Paul wrote,
And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).
Source used for Holy Spirit being distinct from the Father:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_325.cfm
Godhead and Trinity means exactly the same...Yeah, I am going to have to disagree with that translation, brother. I believe it is corrupted. The word "Godhead" in Scripture is just another name for "Trinity."
Colossians 2:9 in the King James says,
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
In the opening of the chapter (Colossians 1), it mentions all three members of the Godhead or the Trinity. For in the body of the man known as Jesus dwelled the fulness of all three persons of the Godhead or Trinity. To say it is deity is to get into mysticism. Then again, Westcott and Hort were into mysticism. So it makes sense that this has crept up in many translations based on their corrupt Greek text. I know. One of my family members used to be into Christian Science. They talked of Jesus as if he is deity and that everyone has this deity and all people can just tap into Jesus living in them any time they want. As if He was some kind of magical force from Star Wars or something. But that is not the Jesus of the Bible. Romans 1:20 also talks of the Godhead (and NOT deity) because it says that we can even see the Godhead in nature.
Atoms = Nucleus, Protons, Electrons.
Water Molecules = Hydrogen Atom, Hydrogen Atom, Oxygen Atom.
Colors of White Light = Red, Blue, Green.
Man's Formation = Dust, Mist (i.e. Water), Breadth of Life.
Man Made in God's Image = Physical Body, Spirit Body, Soul.
Time = Past, Present, Future.
Earth = Crust, Mantle, Core
Acts of the Apostles 17:29 says,
"...we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."
The Godhead or the Trinity is compared with three building materials that makes up a graven image or an artifact by man:
(a) Gold,
(b) Silver,
(c) Stone.
Agreed on everything...
Great post re the Holy Spirit.
Hugs are good!Thank you for the kind rep for what I said.
I am so glad you agree, sister.
These truths in Scripture are so precious to me.
*Gives you a big hug in the Lord*
*Which would no doubt be followed by my wife giving you a big hug, too*
Although I don't defend unitarianism the word translated as "Godhead" does not implicate a plural natured God. The word is "theios" and it is the adjective form of the word for God (theos) a more literal translation would be "god-like" or even "the god thing" or better yet "divine" and more abstractly in the case of a substantive "divinity"
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