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See above.YHWH does not have a purpose in your belief?
One God that has different administrations performing a different function fits fine with that, as the administrations still perform the will of YHWH/God. YHWH's reason for being is shown in these Father son Holy spirit, but each are still YHWH.Actually that’s the issue of your argument. The Trinity has One True God three Divine Persons. Persons have purpose.
You just used “administration” as if they were persons.Yes each administration was present. But they were all still one.
One nature?Their purpose/Administration is different but they are still all one YHWH.
Persons implies that they are three distinct people but Godliness is one Father son Holy spirit as YHWH, they are not separate but one God performing three operations at the same time.You just used “administration” as if they were persons.
Person is defined simply as the subject of existence and life—hypostasis in the traditional church language.Persons implies that they are three distinct people but Godliness is one Father son Holy spirit as YHWH, they are not separate but one God performing three operations at the same time.
One God, one divine nature(holy and incorruptible). I don't know in one sense you believe the divine nature is or how you would define it, but my belief/definition is one God holy and incorruptible.One nature?
So it would be one person since it is one existence/life, in one God.Person is defined simply as the subject of existence and life—hypostasis in the traditional church language.
Good night more tomorrow.
That's me! Branhamite! And proud to be one. If you have any questions, feel free to askIt arose out of a Pentecostal movement that taught that there was no Father or Holy Spirit, but God was exclusively Jesus Christ. It started by being called "The Jesus Only" movement and their catch cry was "Jesus is Lord! Jesus is Lord!" which they would chant in a loud voice when anyone tried to reason with them.
The well-known healing evangelist, William Branham as influenced by the movement, but was not partcularly affected by it while he stayed within his healing evangelistic calling. But when he tried to be a Bible teacher, which God had not called him to, then he started teaching anti-trinitarian doctrine. So his followers were called "Branhamites". These people demanded that all those who were baptised in the Name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, needed to be rebaptised in the Name of Jesus in order to be truly saved. Since the 1960s, after his death, the "Jesus Only" branch of the Pentecostal church, evolved into what we now know as the "Oneness Pentecostals".
There are many in that movement whose hearts are right and sound, even though their heads are wonky in terms of the Trinity. I think we need to give these people the benefit of the doubt, and allow the Lord when it comes to His day of Judgment, to separate the sheep from the goats.
Although I don't defend unitarianism the word translated as "Godhead" does not implicate a plural natured God. The word is "theios" and it is the adjective form of the word for God (theos) a more literal translation would be "god-like" or even "the god thing" or better yet "divine" and more abstractly in the case of a substantive "divinity"Although the word "Trinity" is not found within the Scriptures, the word "Godhead" is used instead (Acts of the Apostles 17:29) (Romans 1:20) (Colossians 2:9).
Because when Jesus was still walking as the Son of Man the sacrifice was not made yet but after that..Uh, no. How can a person blaspheme the Holy Ghost and be unforgiven and yet they cannot do the same with the Son of Man? It's because they are distinct persons within the Trinity or Godhead.
I will be honest here and I don't claim I know for sure but I'm also convinced at the same time that it is not there in support of the trinity doctrine. So I don't think it says what you think it says.In Genesis it says let US make man in OUR image and OUR likeness. Why on Earth is God referring to Himself in the plural form? It doesn't make sense with your belief
Why would Jesus need to pray to God the Father and ask Him to let this cup pass from Him? Why would He ask that towards God the Father if God the Father was not distinct and different in some way from the Son? Why would He need to make a request with Himself? It makes NO sense.
The great thing about being saved by grace through faith is that we don't need to have all the cut and dried answers about the nature and character of God. If a person has received Jesus as their Saviour and has become a new creation, their life is hid with Christ in God. This puts them out of range of anyone who seeks to judge them. Paul said that he did not allow any man to judge him. He did not even judge himself, but left the judgment to Christ. Put ten Christians into a room and you will get ten different theologies, but the one thing that they will agree on is that Jesus rose from the dead and gave them new life!That's me! Branhamite! And proud to be one. If you have any questions, feel free to ask
You may be truly mistaken. God is one, not three.You assume I have not spoken to them personally. You are wrong. I have. They believe that God the Father just puts on a mask or that He switches modes. They do not believe in the distinctiveness of God in that He is three separate persons. I have argued with them face to face about this at work. To deny the distinct persons of the Trinity is to deny who God actually is. The Son does not really exist as the Son described in the Bible to them. They believe that the Son is just a name God the Father takes on and the Son is not really separate and distinct from the Father in any way.
In any event, they are in my prayers.
In fact, I know of an Assembly of God church in Milan that had a schism because some believed Jesus is not God. This just happened about two years ago. ( I live far from there but have visited this Assembly of God church--it's very "alive" with the Spirit of God).The Oneness Pentecostals came out of the Azusa Stret revival when the Assembly of God split with the COGIC churches down racial lines. In 1915 the met at Hot Springs Arkansas and encountered a problem, a group was claiming Jesus was the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Its a nontrinitarian heresy known as Sabellianism. They are known as Oneness Pentecostals, they also teach you must speak in tongues in order to be saved.
OK. I do know a little about arianism. It seems to have always been around. This is why we have the Nicene Creed to squelch the arian belief. But that also created a problem with the word "begotten" which is very misunderstood.They believe Jesus is 'a god', it's a heresy known as Arianism.
Amen. I agree with your last paragraph.It arose out of a Pentecostal movement that taught that there was no Father or Holy Spirit, but God was exclusively Jesus Christ. It started by being called "The Jesus Only" movement and their catch cry was "Jesus is Lord! Jesus is Lord!" which they would chant in a loud voice when anyone tried to reason with them.
The well-known healing evangelist, William Branham as influenced by the movement, but was not partcularly affected by it while he stayed within his healing evangelistic calling. But when he tried to be a Bible teacher, which God had not called him to, then he started teaching anti-trinitarian doctrine. So his followers were called "Branhamites". These people demanded that all those who were baptised in the Name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, needed to be rebaptised in the Name of Jesus in order to be truly saved. Since the 1960s, after his death, the "Jesus Only" branch of the Pentecostal church, evolved into what we now know as the "Oneness Pentecostals".
There are many in that movement whose hearts are right and sound, even though their heads are wonky in terms of the Trinity. I think we need to give these people the benefit of the doubt, and allow the Lord when it comes to His day of Judgment, to separate the sheep from the goats.
That sounds like the Trinity to me. I struggled with on incarnation for a while, Jesus being God really threw me. I eventually got it but I can understand someone having a hard time wrapping their mind around it. There isbabway of sorting it out though.In fact, I know of an Assembly of God church in Milan that had a schism because some believed Jesus is not God. This just happened about two years ago. ( I live far from there but have visited this Assembly of God church--it's very "alive" with the Spirit of God).
It's not easy to understand the Trinity. I've stopped trying.
But Jesus is Jesus, the Son and the Word.
Father is Father.
Holy Spirit is Holy Spirit.
All three are in ONE God,
All three always existed,
All three are always present.
Each one is different but the same.
That's the best way I could understand it.
United Pentecostal Church (UPCI)
"The essential difference between Modalism and the Biblical trinity, is that in Modalism, the three members of the Godhood never exist at the same time and in Trinity, they always co-exist at the same time."
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http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm
Also:
Matthew 3
13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Yes. That is the Trinity.That sounds like the Trinity to me. I struggled with on incarnation for a while, Jesus being God really threw me. I eventually got it but I can understand someone having a hard time wrapping their mind around it. There isbabway of sorting it out though.
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