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It could alternatively be said: "Once perished, was never saved in the first place".That's kinda what I was saying...
For God so love the world... that whosoever believes on his Son shall have everlasting life. Either God is God, or a liar. If you have a "list" of things we must measure up to, please reveal it. Adam and Eve only had one rule..., and they couldn't handle it.
I twist NOTHING. I QUOTED Jesus, extensively. We have nothing more to say to each other.
Good point. I will stop, and leave your arrogant and stupid question unanswered as it deserves to be.Then why do you keep responding to my posts? In fact, you have twisted Scripture - as I have shown. It isn't your quoting of Jesus that is the problem but your interpretation of his words.
Selah.
Then we shall be rebuked together for having the same beliefs. God help us.
Jesus said, "Many are called, few are chosen (Matt 22:14)." This does not mean that everyone who reads the New Testament is going to be saved. Merely to have heard God's calling is not the same as having believed God unto eternal life.Luke5:31 Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
If everyone who came to repentance remained as sinners, the Jesus calling would mean nothing.
Pastors that teach eternal security is not true will answer to God for their lies. Meanwhile, it is up to the discerning Christian to seek the truth of Christ and his ministry. And rebuke and cast away the wolves in sheeps clothing that call Jesus a liar.
John 6:37-40 Jesus teaches, "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
We can never leave Christ. We can backslide,we can think we left the faith, but we are eternally in Christ. When Jesus says he will never cast us out, how can anyone claim we and our will is greater than His so that we cast ourselves away?
We can't. If we fall into the ways of the world, Jesus knows this. And when we repent and turn back to Christ he welcomes us home. But if we died while in that state would Jesus let us go to Hell? No. Because he never cast us out.
We cannot un-regenerate ourselves. We cannot renounce our rebirth in Christ. We cannot become the old creature we were after we became a new creation in Christ. We do not evict the holy spirit of God. That is the ego of men thinking themselves greater than the Father that called us to him.
Thank you very much for this wonderful post however you are wrong and we all go to hell forever. I used to go to hell because I write before. that is what is says-Did you seek out what those words they wrote in Hebrew actually say?
תודה רבה לך על הפוסט הנפלא הזה עם זאת אתה טועה וכולנו נלך לעזאזל לנצח. אני רגיל ללכת לעזאזל בגלל שאני כותב עבר = "You are wrong, and we all go to hell forever. I wont go to hell because I write Hebrew"
Easy there. That statement is walking on a fine line in regards to the fourm rules. Its perfectly fine to disagree but lets all remain civil. Thank you.Thanks so much for this post. It proves that the Bible is poorly written and supports the idea that it probably isn't divinely inspired. 100000000 scriptures support one belief and 23852835283509832502938509283523098 verses that support the other opinion.
Good point. Otherwise everyone who is saved will be caught up into heaven like Enoch and Elijah. Now those guys were truly saved and given eternal life. Because we are obviously dying, we do not have eternal life...yet. It is not until we are standing before God and He says "well done, my good and faithful servant" and we eat from the tree of life.No, sadly, the conclusions comes from a faulty premise... namely, that we are already saved. We are not, Scripture is quite clear that salvation is a future event. The proof is in the mirror... go look into one. Do you see aging? You wouldn't if we were already saved. Aging, decay, death are part of the curse of sin... and if we still age, decay, and die... the messiah might have earned the right to perfect, but he clearly has not applied it yet. That happens when he returns.
One thing I've noticed is a common characteristic of those who deny the message of the cross. They're all relatively new members. And they all consistently argue that Jesus did not mean what he said. And Salvation is not eternal. Satan has his trolls in the world. They spew their lies from the pulpit, from television broadcasts, and as I heard the other day, even on Christian radio.
Test the spirits. Those who are not of God will prove it. Those who teach against Jesus' truth of eternal salvation and life are not of Christ.
eisegesis
[ahy-si-jee-seez]
1.an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.
Unfortunately, when it comes to the teachings of Jesus on this topic. The argument can go both ways. Otherwise this topic would not have been in debate since John Calvin introduced it in the 16th century.I think you'd do well to realize what certain of us are reiterating of Jesus teachings is that no true Christian ever loses their salvation.
I think anyone here is "hell bound" because of their stance on OSAS. Luckily it is a doctrine that we all will hopefully be able to ask God when we get into heaven.Not quite so ugly when each group espouses that the other is hell bound for their particular belief of salvation
Belief is what we think to be true based on our knowledge and understanding. If we believe something is true....no faith is necessary. Faith is based on trust with a lack of knowledge and understanding. Through faith, we can come to believe.I want to add something...
I believe that there is a complete lack of understanding when it comes to the word "faith." Ok, bold statement... how about some facts mister?
We have tied the words faith and belief into one word. We think that if we believe strongly enough, that this is faith and it isn't. A good example... did you watch God's Not Dead? Remember the pastors car wouldn't start a number of times and finally with the evangelist the pastor puts down his suitcase and goes to try one more time. The evangelist says, "No man, have faith, put the suitcases in the car and know God will start it." (paraphrased)
OK, that is >>NOT<< faith... that is belief.. and a misguided one that leads to treating the Creator as our personal genie waiting for His bottle to be rubbed.
What is faith?
Faith COMES BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD.
Faith is the EVIDENCE of things UNSEEN
Faith WITHOUT WORKS is dead being alone.
3 verses... let's put them together....
What is faith? We have to HEAR God (hearing is not seen) and then we act on what we hear (that is the evidence of the unseen/ what we heard) and without the action faith is dead. This is why Hebrews 11 shows that Noach HEARD and then ACTED, Abraham HEARD and then ACTED, Moses HEARD and then ACTED... and so forth.
The word "faith" and the Hebrew word shema (translated as "hear" but really meaning "hear and do") virtually have the same meaning. True faith means we have HEARD God and acted on what we heard... so works accompany faith or it isn't faith!
Thanks so much for this post. It proves that the Bible is poorly written and supports the idea that it probably isn't divinely inspired. 100000000 scriptures support one belief and 23852835283509832502938509283523098 verses that support the other opinion.
Good point. I will stop, and leave your arrogant and stupid question unanswered as it deserves to be.
SCRIPTURE IS QUITE CLEAR.Hard to say and I don't concern myself with worrying about it as scripture is quite clear and warns us to stay on the right path. Those warnings probably wouldn't be necessary if we were 'always' saved. But who knows.
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