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Black Lives Don't Matter More Than Any Other Life
Then the Christians here will rebuke your attempt to call Jesus words false for as long as you are allowed to endure.
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Then the Christians here will rebuke your attempt to call Jesus words false for as long as you are allowed to endure.You're welcome, but I'll still be around.
Did you seek out what those words they wrote in Hebrew actually say?Thank you for correcting my post, I helped you correct yours as well- "So, make sure to write your name in hebrew ,(Hebrew) celebrate the jewish (Jewish) holidays and be sure to open and close your post with some sort of hebrew (Hebrew) greeting." These are your words clipped and pasted from you, right? and this "תודה רבה לך על הפוסט הנפלא הזה עם זאת אתה טועה וכולנו נלך לעזאזל לנצח. אני רגיל ללכת לעזאזל בגלל שאני כותב עברי. I can go to heaven now?"
Then the Christians here will rebuke your attempt to call Jesus words false for as long as you are allowed to endure.
Did you seek out what those words they wrote in Hebrew actually say?
תודה רבה לך על הפוסט הנפלא הזה עם זאת אתה טועה וכולנו נלך לעזאזל לנצח. אני רגיל ללכת לעזאזל בגלל שאני כותב עבר = "You are wrong, and we all go to hell forever. I wont go to hell because I write Hebrew"
"He who endures till the end SHALL BE saved."
Adam was born without a death sentence... he sinned and the clock began to tick. We are born with the clock ticking... the wages of sin is death. Since we still die, then we have not been perfected, we do not have the law (fully) on our hearts, and thus we are still paying the price. We WILL BE changed, WE have rest, WILL be made incorruptible. Until then, we still are exposed to sin, still are tempted, and still decay and die. If the wages of sin is death and we still die... then we are not saved yet. We might belong to God and can call ourselves sons and daughters, but there is clearly still work on the table that is still to be fulfilled!
It is indeed. Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.Oh, that sounds very christian of them.
Shalom,
Read John 15:1-6, now look at the following verses:
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the vintner. 2 He cuts off every branch that does not produce fruit in me, and he cuts back every branch that does produce fruit, so that it might produce more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of what I’ve spoken to you.Now, read Romans 11:17-22 then think about the following:
4 Abide in me, and I will abide in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches. The one who abides in me while I abide in him produces much fruit, because apart from me you can do nothing. 6 Unless a person abides in me, he is thrown away like a pruned branch and dries up. People gather such branches, throw them into a fire, and they are burned up.
17 Now if some of the branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive branch, have been grafted in their place to share the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not boast about being better than the other branches. If you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were cut off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 That’s right! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you remain only because of faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid! 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly will not spare you, either.
22 Consider, then, the kindness and severity of God: his severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness toward you—if you continue receiving his kindness. Otherwise, you too will be cut off.
In John's gospel, the plant is a vine plant and we are branches and Yeshua is the vine. In Romans the plant is a fig tree and it is speaking of Israel as a body and implies that it is Yeshua. In both parables, we are the branches and in both parables we are in the Messiah and partake of the life of the plant which is THE HOLY SPIRIT. In both parables, the branches that have no fruit are cut off.
This implies quite clearly and without contradiction that a saved person with the SPIRIT OF GOD can be cut off.
Now, read Revelation 3:5 and ask yourself why Yeshua mentions not being blotted out of the book of life. Because it is possible to be blotted out.
5 The person who overcomes in this way will wear white clothes, and I will never erase his name from the Book of Life. I will acknowledge his name in the presence of my Father and his angels.
The question we must now ask ourselves is:
Do we still believe that we cannot lose our salvation after being given THE SPIRIT OF GOD? If so, what does the above verses mean if not what it says?
Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly; and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith--not by faith and our works, hence, faith alone.
Paul never wrote that we have to work to keep our salvation.Only if you ignore a lot of scripture. James writes that faith without works is DEAD if alone. Paul writes about how it is the law that defines what sin even is (Romans 7:7) as does John in 1 John 3:4.
The Law is the yardstick by which we are measured. It is that which declares we have fallen short and NEED grace. If you pit grace against the law, or remove the law entirely.. you remove the need for grace because the thing that says you need it, no longer states that.
Here is the problem... I say works and you HEAR "unto salvation." That is NOT even remotely a thought in my mind, nor was it a thought in the mind of the Spirit inspired author (James) who again said, "faith without works is dead being alone." Works and faith do not contrast, they are not at odds... heck, Yeshua himself said, "If you love me keep my commandments." John wrote, "this is the love of God that we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS." Unto salvation? It doesn't say that... we come in faith and THEN we learn to work and live as God expects. That is what makes HIM Lord. We play by His rules, His understanding of righteousness, not ours.Blessings.
Vanilla- I was quoting a post from Doubtful Salvation - trying to show him that what he wrote was kind of ugly to some of the other folks on this forum. Those are his words not mine - Sorry for the confusion.Did you seek out what those words they wrote in Hebrew actually say?
תודה רבה לך על הפוסט הנפלא הזה עם זאת אתה טועה וכולנו נלך לעזאזל לנצח. אני רגיל ללכת לעזאזל בגלל שאני כותב עבר = "You are wrong, and we all go to hell forever. I wont go to hell because I write Hebrew"
Nor did I say that Paul said that. You need to read more carefully and stop making assumptions. I said that Paul said the law defined sin and then I provided the verse for you to go look at it. Works do not save, but that fact does not abrogate works. And why is it, that you'll jump over to a comment I made about Paul (totally outside the context I used) and then ignore James who made a statement that stands in direct opposition to what you said?Paul never wrote that we have to work to keep our salvation.
I twist NOTHING. I QUOTED Jesus, extensively. We have nothing more to say to each other.It seems the only reason why you want to give John's words more weight than Paul's is that you can more easily twist his words
Vanilla- I was quoting a post from Doubtful Salvation - trying to show him that what he wrote was kind of ugly to some of the other folks on this forum. Those are his words not mine - Sorry for the confusion.
Only if you ignore a lot of scripture. James writes that faith without works is DEAD if alone. Paul writes about how it is the law that defines what sin even is (Romans 7:7) as does John in 1 John 3:4.
The Law is the yardstick by which we are measured. It is that which declares we have fallen short and NEED grace. If you pit grace against the law, or remove the law entirely.. you remove the need for grace because the thing that says you need it, no longer states that.
Here is the problem... I say works and you HEAR "unto salvation." That is NOT even remotely a thought in my mind, nor was it a thought in the mind of the Spirit inspired author (James) who again said, "faith without works is dead being alone." Works and faith do not contrast, they are not at odds... heck, Yeshua himself said, "If you love me keep my commandments." John wrote, "this is the love of God that we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS." Unto salvation? It doesn't say that... we come in faith and THEN we learn to work and live as God expects. That is what makes HIM Lord. We play by His rules, His understanding of righteousness, not ours.Blessings.
It is indeed. Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Titus 1:9 He must be devoted to the trustworthy message we teach. Then he can use these accurate teachings to encourage people and correct those who oppose the word.
I know. That's why I asked in my post if you knew what they had said in the writing.Vanilla- I was quoting a post from Doubtful Salvation - trying to show him that what he wrote was kind of ugly to some of the other folks on this forum. Those are his words not mine - Sorry for the confusion.
I think you'd do well to realize what certain of us are reiterating of Jesus teachings is that no true Christian ever loses their salvation.
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