Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Ken Rank]

I'm not saying I heard from God, I just wanted to add my two cents. I was saved, lost then SAVED AGAIN. Because I had to say the sinners prayer again. I wouldn't have to if I was already saved!

It is nothing to do with emotions. I'm sorry, you tried to be nice with me. I am just peed off by all the self-righteous people on here. I may be a new Christian and struggle to quote scripture and stay faithful to Jesus and whatever because of the demonic torment I get. But that doesn't give others any right to talk down to me like I know nothing.

I was not trying to condescend... just adding to the discussion. My apologies it came out poorly!

 

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Once saved, the HS provides for you so you will always be saved, and nothing can take that away....

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Revelation 22:19 NIV

 

[1John2:4]

If you conciter (consider btw) this to be flaming and gloating (goading), than by all means report it. I never insulted any one person, but I did express my opinion about the Bible. Poor old little Bible, will it ever recover? =(

Thank you for correcting my post, I helped you correct yours as well- "So, make sure to write your name in hebrew ,(Hebrew) celebrate the jewish (Jewish) holidays and be sure to open and close your post with some sort of hebrew (Hebrew) greeting." These are your words clipped and pasted from you, right? and this "תודה רבה לך על הפוסט הנפלא הזה עם זאת אתה טועה וכולנו נלך לעזאזל לנצח. אני רגיל ללכת לעזאזל בגלל שאני כותב עברי. I can go to heaven now?"

 

[bcbsr]

The proof is in the rhetoric used by those who reject Eternal Security. Namely they propose that to be saved one must to such and such works. And if you fail to live up to a certain standard you lose your salvation. Viewing salvation as contingent upon one's ongoing behavior is by definition a salvation by works soteriology.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I'm not saying I heard from God, I just wanted to add my two cents. I was saved, lost then SAVED AGAIN. Because I had to say the sinners prayer again. I wouldn't have to if I was already saved!

It is nothing to do with emotions. I'm sorry, you tried to be nice with me. I am just peed off by all the self-righteous people on here. I may be a new Christian and struggle to quote scripture and stay faithful to Jesus and whatever because of the demonic torment I get. But that doesn't give others any right to talk down to me like I know nothing.

There is no sinners prayer in scripture. If you were saved the first time you were eternally His. You can backslide, yes, fall from the path of righteousness. But that doesn't mean Jesus lets you go just because you decided to turn your back on him. He knew your name before you were alive in your mothers womb. You didn't have to say a special prayer to be let back into His grace. You were already and eternally there.

Read the scriptures about the prodigal son. That was the parable that tells you no matter where you go Jesus is with you because you are his. Eternally. Just because you thought you left Christ doesn't mean he left you. Ever.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

The proof is in the rhetoric used by those who reject Eternal Security. Namely they propose that to be saved one must to such and such works. And if you fail to live up to a certain standard you lose your salvation. Viewing salvation as contingent upon one's ongoing behavior is by definition a salvation by works soteriology.

And it is a false doctrine.
It says that the will of the mortal person is greater than the God that sent his only begotten son to save the world.
Jesus didn't say he came to give temporary life. He came to give eternal life and salvation through himself, by the grace of God who made it possible.

 

[patdee]

IF one could lose their salvation for ANY reason, then ALL go to hell. Follow along:

Then why do MOST Christians and pastors, etc, espouse that one CAN indeed lose their salvation? The answer is quite simple:

The "Tempter" (satan) WANTS all to believe that we can LOSE our salvation; because he KNOWS that NO one could EVER live a good enough life to be found "worthy" of heaven. And I stress NO one: Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

1. Moses was said to have been THE most righteous man who ever lived. Yet he was denied the honor of honors of leading "God's people" into the "promised land" because he had sinned badly.

2. Adam and Eve (The first humans on earth), Samson (The Strongest man who ever lived), David (The most blessed King who ever lived); Solomon (the smartest man who ever lived) and untold other "God's people" sinned badly in the eyes of God. Daniel in sincere prayer (Daniel 9), cried out to God and said the "Jews" pain was 100% their fault and they were being punished IN bondage for 70 yrs for what they had done. The prayer was soooooo true that God sent Gabriel to interrupt the prayer and tell Daniel that his prayer had reached Heaven.........................

3. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (If you are from NYC and/or you are a satan-led, Godless liberal that means you are a LIAR!)

Further:

1. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. (Note the word "eternal". If that was cut short for ANY reason Jesus would have been a liar-the word "Never" is absolute also, UNLESS there is given an "exception" and there were NO exceptions given).

2. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Note the word "everlasting" again, and NO exceptions were given).

3. Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: (Note there was ONE and only one exception to "ALL sins being forgiven" and that is in the NEXT verse).

4. Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. (Note: "Blaspheming against the Holy Ghost" means one refuses to hear the voice of Jesus calling them to eternal (cannot be cut short) life and that is the ONLY sin Jesus did NOT die for.)

So why again, do MOST Christians AND preachers adamantly say "One CAN lose their salvation!".

The answer is quite simple. The author of sin (Lucifer) breeds "ego" and "arrogance" in our hearts; that will lead us to "upstage" Jesus. In other words, "Jesus simply could NOT pay the FULL price for salvation, thus WE must pay a part of it!" That is blasphemy in the highest meaning of the word. Thus James' "ego" led him to foolishly write, James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. But Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Note: Paul understood Jesus, James did NOT because of his EGO/"boasting")

In Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (this is calling Jesus a Liar- So, is there any wonder why there is NO credible evidence on earth as to WHO wrote the book of Hebrews?)

Summation. YES! there ARE many verses IN the bible that states clearly "one CAN indeed lose their salvation'. BUT! There are MORE verses in the bible that say you can NOT.

THIS is the MAIN reasons there are two popular argued and debated "doctrines", on this subject. And these debates and arguments have been going on for over 2,000 yrs. Why?

The devil "inspires" people to write things that countered the things that Jesus Inspired" people to write. So "take your pick". Compare Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house; with Matthew 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered (caved into) you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. (Thus Moses was "inspired" BY satan to write something that was a lie-Jesus MADE that clear.)

This is why there are over 30,000 DIFFERENT doctrines IN the world about EVERY subject known just about. And it is an abomination unto God.

Finally: IF you really want to know "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"; CLOSE your bibles and GET on your knees and sincerely pray that Jesus would lead you to wisdom; so you can truly "discern" like 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (Note: the word dividing always LESSENS. It never stays the same or increases. Thus a person who has been given wisdom KNOWS that that verse means divide the "words of Jesus" FROM the "words of satan"; and UNLESS we remove the "chaff" we will NEVER get to the "wheat".

Whether you believe it or not.

May Jesus richly bless you and yours always,

patdee

 

[DoubtfulSalvation]

IF one could lose their salvation for ANY reason, then ALL go to hell. Follow along:

Then why do MOST Christians and pastors, etc, espouse that one CAN indeed lose their salvation? The answer is quite simple:

The "Tempter" (satan) WANTS all to believe that we can LOSE our salvation; because he KNOWS that NO one could EVER live a good enough life to be found "worthy" of heaven. And I stress NO one: Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

1. Moses was said to have been THE most righteous man who ever lived. Yet he was denied the honor of honors of leading "God's people" into the "promised land" because he had sinned badly.

2. Adam and Eve, Samson (The Strongest man who ever lived), David (The most blessed King who ever lived); Solomon (the smartest man who ever lived) and untold others sinned badly in the eyes of God. David in sincere prayer (Daniel 9), cried out to God and said the "Jews" pain was 100% their fault. The prayer was soooooo true that God sent Gabriel to interrupt the prayer and tell Daniel that his prayer had reached Heaven.........................

3. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Further:

1. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. (Note the word "eternal". If that was cut short for ANY reason Jesus would have been a liar-the word "Never" is absolute, UNLESS there is given an "exception" and there were NO exceptions given).

2. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Note the word "everlasting" again, and NO exceptions were given).

3. Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: (Note there was ONE and only one exception to ALL sins being forgiven and that is in the NEXT verse).

4. Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. (Note: "Blaspheming against the Holy Ghost" means one refuses to hear the voice of Jesus calling them to eternal (cannot be cut short) life and that is the ONLY sin Jesus did NOT die for.)

So why again, do MOST Christians AND preachers adamantly say "One CAN lose their salvation!".

The answer is quite simple. The author of sin (Lucifer) breeds "ego" in our hearts; that will lead us to "upstage" Jesus. In other words, "Jesus simply could NOT pay the FULL price for salvation, thus WE must pay a part of it!" That is blasphemy in the highest meaning of the word. Thus James' "ego" led him to foolishly write, "Faith without works is dead...". But Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Note: Paul understood Jesus, James did NOT)

In Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (this is calling Jesus a Liar- So, is there any wonder why there is NO credible evidence on earth as to WHO wrote the book of Hebrews?)

Summation. YES! there ARE many verses IN the bible that states clearly "one CAN indeed lose their salvation'. BUT! There are MORE verses in the bible that say you can NOT.

THIS is the MAIN reasons there are two arguing and debating doctrines, on this subject. And these debates and arguments have been going on for over 2,000 yrs. Why?

The devil causes people to write things that countered the things that Jesus caused people to write. So "take your pick".

This is why there are over 30,000 DIFFERENT doctrines IN the world about EVERY subject known just about. And it is an abomination unto God.

Finally: IF you really want to know "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"; CLOSE your bibles and GET on your knees and sincerely pray that Jesus would lead you to wisdom; so you can truly "discern" like 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (Note: the word dividing always LESSENS. It never stays the same or increases. Thus a person who has wisdom KNOWS that that verse means divide the "words of Jesus" FROM the "words of satan"; and UNLESS we remove the "chaff" we will NEVER get to the "wheat".

Whether you believe it or not.

May Jesus richly bless you and yours always,

patdee

Thanks so much for this post. It proves that the Bible is poorly written and supports the idea that it probably isn't divinely inspired. 100000000 scriptures support one belief and 23852835283509832502938509283523098 verses that support the other opinion.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Luke5:31 Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

If everyone who came to repentance remained as sinners, the Jesus calling would mean nothing.

Pastors that teach eternal security is not true will answer to God for their lies. Meanwhile, it is up to the discerning Christian to seek the truth of Christ and his ministry. And rebuke and cast away the wolves in sheeps clothing that call Jesus a liar.

John 6:37-40 Jesus teaches, "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

We can never leave Christ. We can backslide,we can think we left the faith, but we are eternally in Christ. When Jesus says he will never cast us out, how can anyone claim we and our will is greater than His so that we cast ourselves away?
We can't. If we fall into the ways of the world, Jesus knows this. And when we repent and turn back to Christ he welcomes us home. But if we died while in that state would Jesus let us go to Hell? No. Because he never cast us out.

We cannot un-regenerate ourselves. We cannot renounce our rebirth in Christ. We cannot become the old creature we were after we became a new creation in Christ. We do not evict the holy spirit of God. That is the ego of men thinking themselves greater than the Father that called us to him.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Thanks so much for this post. It proves that the Bible is poorly written and supports the idea that it probably isn't divinely inspired. 100000000 scriptures support one belief and 23852835283509832502938509283523098 verses that support the other opinion.

As you wish. Goodbye. Thank you for coming.

 

[Ken Rank]

Thanks so much for this post. It proves that the Bible is poorly written and supports the idea that it probably isn't divinely inspired. 100000000 scriptures support one belief and 23852835283509832502938509283523098 verses that support the other opinion.

No, sadly, the conclusions comes from a faulty premise... namely, that we are already saved. We are not, Scripture is quite clear that salvation is a future event. The proof is in the mirror... go look into one. Do you see aging? You wouldn't if we were already saved. Aging, decay, death are part of the curse of sin... and if we still age, decay, and die... the messiah might have earned the right to perfect, but he clearly has not applied it yet. That happens when he returns.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

No, sadly, the conclusions comes from a faulty premise... namely, that we are already saved. We are not, Scripture is quite clear that salvation is a future event. The proof is in the mirror... go look into one. Do you see aging? You wouldn't if we were already saved. Aging, decay, death are part of the curse of sin... and if we still age, decay, and die... the messiah might have earned the right to perfect, but he clearly has not applied it yet. That happens when he returns.

You'd be very hard pressed to prove that with Jesus teachings.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

One thing I've noticed is a common characteristic of those who deny the message of the cross. They're all relatively new members. And they all consistently argue that Jesus did not mean what he said. And Salvation is not eternal. Satan has his trolls in the world. They spew their lies from the pulpit, from television broadcasts, and as I heard the other day, even on Christian radio.

Test the spirits. Those who are not of God will prove it. Those who teach against Jesus' truth of eternal salvation and life are not of Christ.


eisegesis
[ahy-si-jee-seez]
1.an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

If we see that the scriptures exclude works in any form as a means of our salvation, then logically, we are saved by faith alone. Let's take a look at what the Bible says about faith and works. Then, afterwards, we will tackle James' statement about "faith alone".

1. Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
2. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
3. Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;"
4. Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;"
5. Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
6. Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
7. Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
8. Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
9. Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
10. Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
11. Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
12. Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly; and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith--not by faith and our works, hence, faith alone.

 

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Of course faith without showing the spirit of Christ in all you do means nothing.
We know that.
Look, people like yourself that wish to renounce Jesus sacrifice that assured eternal life and salvation by the grace of God alone should believe that. Go ahead. Live that belief you have and defend here in 7 plus pages and counting.
Live the notion that Jesus did not take the sins of the world upon himself, that he wasn't speaking truth when he said no one will take the believer that comes to him by the call of God, and receives eternal life through faith by the grace of God, from his hand. Meaning no one , not even the believer, can leave the covenant Jesus died to impart to the world.
Argue against that. Argue that you and those who believe as you do have to work to be saved, and work harder to explain if that were true why God would send his only begotten son to die so that the Fathers grace could be bestowed on the world and eternal life given to those who have faith in the sacrifice.

Strive to explain how if works saved why God didn't know that. And send a messenger that told us to work hard! Our souls depend on it, and when we're done with our labors to be approved come to the judgement of them and find out after life if we earned eternal life.
Go ahead!

You should live your belief. Work hard! And best of luck.

I don't think anyone here ever said that people loose their salvation due to sin in its self. It is unbelief and rejecting Jesus that causes people to loose their salvation. NOT SIN. Once again I say, "Savior" is a title to describe something that Jesus has done. "Lord" is the title that describes who Jesus is. If you claim to accept Jesus as your Savior and deny Him as Lord over your life by living in willful, deliberate sin with a complete disregard for honoring His commandments, you are not worshiping God and are in fact denying who Jesus really is. You are worshiping a false Jesus. Just like the Israelites, you are reducing God to a golden calf. Remember, to fear God is to know God. To know God is to love God.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I don't think anyone here ever said that people loose their salvation due to sin in its self. It is unbelief and rejecting Jesus that causes people to loose their salvation. NOT SIN. Once again I say, "Savior" is a title to describe something that Jesus has done. "Lord" is the title that describes who Jesus is. If you claim to accept Jesus as your Savior and deny Him as Lord over your life by living in willful, deliberate sin with a complete disregard for honoring His commandments, you are not worshiping God and are in fact denying who Jesus really is. You are worshiping a false Jesus. Just like the Israelites, you are reducing God to a golden calf.

I think you'd do well to realize what certain of us are reiterating of Jesus teachings is that no true Christian ever loses their salvation.

 

[Ken Rank]

You'd be very hard pressed to prove that with Jesus teachings.

"He who endures till the end SHALL BE saved."

Adam was born without a death sentence... he sinned and the clock began to tick. We are born with the clock ticking... the wages of sin is death. Since we still die, then we have not been perfected, we do not have the law (fully) on our hearts, and thus we are still paying the price. We WILL BE changed, WE have rest, WILL be made incorruptible. Until then, we still are exposed to sin, still are tempted, and still decay and die. If the wages of sin is death and we still die... then we are not saved yet. We might belong to God and can call ourselves sons and daughters, but there is clearly still work on the table that is still to be fulfilled!

 

[Ken Rank]

Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

If we see that the scriptures exclude works in any form as a means of our salvation, then logically, we are saved by faith alone. Let's take a look at what the Bible says about faith and works. Then, afterwards, we will tackle James' statement about "faith alone".

1. Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
2. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
3. Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;"
4. Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;"
5. Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
6. Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
7. Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
8. Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
9. Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
10. Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
11. Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
12. Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly; and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith--not by faith and our works, hence, faith alone.

We are saved by grace alone... but the saved (to use a word your comfortable with) work.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

If we see that the scriptures exclude works in any form as a means of our salvation, then logically, we are saved by faith alone. Let's take a look at what the Bible says about faith and works. Then, afterwards, we will tackle James' statement about "faith alone".

1. Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
2. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
3. Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;"
4. Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;"
5. Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
6. Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
7. Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
8. Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
9. Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
10. Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
11. Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
12. Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly; and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith--not by faith and our works, hence, faith alone.

Yes, we are justified by faith alone. So what then if someone looses the faith that justified them in the first place? Where is the scripture that says people who no longer have faith will still be saved regardless of their rejection of Christ?

 

[DoubtfulSalvation]

As you wish. Goodbye. Thank you for coming.

You're welcome, but I'll still be around.