Once Saved, Always Saved

[Godzchild]

Jesus should never have said these words if we can lose our gift.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

There is nothing that can separate the true child of God from Christ.

Now let us look at Romans 8 in which Paul clearly states that the child of God cannot lose his or her salvation.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It is impossible for a person to be a true born again child of God and then become unborn... We are either or of the flesh or of the spirit...

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

The body we inhabit now is dead because of sin as the verse above indicates.

We are to consider ourselves already as dead in the flesh.

Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Is there anything in these verses that indicate that a true child of God can lose their salvation?

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Why would Christ have to make intercession for us if we were totally sinless?

Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Godzchild]

It would be impossible to KNOW WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE if we could lose our salvation.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Salvation is a gift. It cannot be earned or kept. It must be received.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

We are saved for good works not by them...

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



These verses are about Jews who want to go back to the Old Testament sacrifices for sin.

The preceding verses show that the Hebrews who believe are saved throught the one time sacrifice of Christ on the cross. There is no more sacrifice for sins.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Christ was sacrifice once.

If His sacrifice is not sufficient then there is no more sacrifice for sins and no sacrifice can cleanse the sinner.

Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Anyone who willfully walks away from Christ was never saved in the first place.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.



Here are a couple of other verses that speak to the fact that we can not lose our salvation.


John 5:24. "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.



Jude 24. Now to Him who is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy



Philippians 1:6. being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

 

[Godzchild]

Jesus tells us that He knows His sheep.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Christ says that those who are not saved "He never knew".

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Notice Jesus states that He "never knew those who are not His. He does not say that He knew them once and then He forgot them.

Those who believe the gospel but add unto it are not saved. They never were because they did not truly believe that Jesus Christ's death on the cross for their sins was enough.

They have spit on the sacrifice of Christ on the cross and added their own works of righteousness to the gospel and have perverted it.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;



My assurance is grounded in the gospel of grace which is over 2,000 years old.

I am born again. Just as man cannot return to his mother's womb neither can I become unborn.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus didn't understand and neither do the save one minute lost the next crowd.

You can't earn not keep your own salvation. If you could you wouldn't need a saviour.

I have past from death to life.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Born again.

I have eternal life based on the words of Jesus Christ.

I was a child of wrath. I am now a child of light.

Ephesians 2:2-3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

No longer a child of wrath but a child of light.

Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:


The good news isn't "good news" if a person has to keep himself saved.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Amen!!!!!

 

[Godzchild]

A person is either saved or they are not saved. You can't become born and then become unborn...

A woman isn't sort of pregnant or kind of married.

Jesus said...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jesus also told those who profess that they knew Him when they did not something interesting...

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus doesn't tell those who profess to know Him that He knew them once and now He knows them no more. Jesus tells them He never knew them.

It would be impossible to know you have eternal life if you could become unsaved.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

I know I have eternal life.

Jesus has given me a free gift. I did not earn it nor deserve it.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

I used to be a child of wrath but not any longer...

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

It is required that we believe the gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

We are saved for good works not by good works.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I question the salvation of those who believe they are saved one minute and lost the next...

Works are evidence of salvation not a requirement for it...

If you have to work to keep your salvation then you are participating in your salvation and the work of Christ on the cross was not sufficient to save you.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

How can you lose eternal redemption? You either have it or you don't.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Remember Jesus Never Knew False Professors...

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

I will never perish and I have eternal life... End of Story...

That is why the gospel is called the "good news"!

 

[Godzchild]

Do the above posts answer the questions for you? Or do you need more! Plenty more where they came from...just say the word

 

[sojourner]

To Antioch,

I want to also express my appreciation for your great post.

Then I would like to also say to Godzchild that his post is also great. it is a direct complement to the post of Antioch.

However your summation, Godzchild states the opposite namely....

It is that type of saving faith that will save us. Belief, belief, belief...

Actually, that is not worded precisely correct. We are justified by faith. We are saved by Grace through faith, never by faith. The Bible dies not distinquish between kinds of faith. Faith is faith.
Faith is works. It's just that apart from faith, grace has nothing to work with and apart from its works, faith is a useless, empty shell.
Works of Righteousness is what we will be held responsible for. What we did with the Gift given to us. How close did we come to being conformed to His Image.

Salvation is -- *not results from, but IS* -- union of shared being with Christ. But there's no shared being without shared mind, will, AND WORKS. The whole idea is for you to become a full co-operator with Christ. How are you going to do that unless you begin to co-operate? One has to grow into that. And one has to struggle to grow. Grace doesn't grow passively. You need to work out your salvation which is your union with Christ given you at Holy Baptism -- GIVEN you, not earned -- until it reaches maturity and even continues into heaven.

It is denying oneself, taking up ones Cross and following Him. That is a struggle on a daily basis. Moment by moment.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

define serious?
define unresolved?

Ultimately only God is our judge and He will do so individually, so my definition of what is serious for me is meaningless to you. Unresolved means exactly what you think it means, one has not repented and asked for God's forgiveness.

God does not ignore, repeat He does not ignore one single sin.

good, repeat good, you got my point this far.

OSAS is really not the issue, the issue is living the spiritual life and if you are out of fellowship, He will discipline.

We believe the discipline comes whether one responds properly or not. OSAS is the issue


Remember a single sin of one man brought death for ALL, AND separation from God for ALL. To say that God would overlook the unrepentant heart of a believer when they died in that state makes a mockery of God's response to Adam's sin. With OSAS it would not be Just that ALL deserve death AND separation for a single sin, in fact it would make God appear arbitrary and petty because now He allows a true believer to skate in even when dying with an unrepentant heart. That is what OSAS does.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

my bet is that Godzchild would answer all 'C's to that test.

Reps to you Ignatius

 

[Godzchild]

my bet is that Godzchild would answer all 'C's to that test.

Did you bother reading all the scripture I quoted or are you ignoring them all?

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." (Rom. 4 v 5 – 8 )

 

[Godzchild]

A true believer will not die with an unrepentent heart for the Holy Spirit brings the believer to repentence and they are drawn to the Father adn their very desire to do good comes from God and not themselves. For there is no good thing in me that doesn't come from my Father in heaven. I will ALWAYS repent BECAUSE i'm saved and BECAUSE I'm God's Child.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

A true believer will not die with an unrepentent heart for the Holy Spirit brings the believer to repentence and they are drawn to the Father adn their very desire to do good comes from God and not themselves. For there is no good thing in me that doesn't come from my Father in heaven. I will ALWAYS repent BECAUSE i'm saved and BECAUSE I'm God's Child.

Asking for forgiveness and repenting is what we are ALL called to do. That works very well as long as one chooses when to die or knows of death's approach in advance.
What if a true believer dies in the very act of sinning?

 

[SPALATIN]

A true believer will not die with an unrepentent heart for the Holy Spirit brings the believer to repentence and they are drawn to the Father adn their very desire to do good comes from God and not themselves. For there is no good thing in me that doesn't come from my Father in heaven. I will ALWAYS repent BECAUSE i'm saved and BECAUSE I'm God's Child.

I read this term alot among many of the Baptist denominations. Just what is really meant by "true believer" Are you saying that if one believes that they still can't sin? I would say that is stretching scripture a bit to match ones belief. What I read in scripture especially from Romans 7 is that while we are justified by Christ, we still have the Old Adam pulling at us to sin. So at the same time that we are saint we are also sinner and vice versa.

Christ's work on the cross justified you in him through faith, but if your faith becomes clouded and despairing you might choose to reject him. Rejection is always a matter of one's own will. Receiving him through faith is what God does.

It is not OSAS that is taught in scripture. Christ says that he will remain in you as long as you remain in him. As long as you don't reject him he will be there. He knows you are not perfect and in your imperfect state you have the ability to reject him. He gives you the Holy Spirit to turn your back on temptation, but he doesn't remove the temptation. If OSAS were taught in the Bible I believe he would have removed the temptation aspect from the equation.

 

[BrotherAtArms]

And ofcourse, I'm just adding my 2 cents here

Once saved always saved just can't work. Why? Because it is basically human nature to sin.

1 John 1:8:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(Read the whole chapter though, it's good)

So once saved, and you sin, "Oops... I'm human"... but it's by God's awesome grace and mercy that we can ask for His forgiveness of our sins and we will be forgiven.

I've heard some baptists say, "Well, if they sin, they weren't really saved to begin with"... so if that were the case, then no man on earth would really be saved...

Romans 3:23:
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

It says "fall short" as in present tense, not "fell short".

Difference between a sinner and a Christian..

Sinner- Sins and stays in his/her sin.
Christian- Still sins, but gets up out of it and keeps going.

Sinners fall, and stay down, Christians fall but stand back up.

No one should just read one verse and roll with that, like John 3:16, "Oh, if I believe, I'm good then^^" NO!

On judgement day He won't say, "Depart from me, for you didn't believe in me" the Bible says, "Depart from me, for I never KNEW you".

It's a relationship with Him that gets you to Heaven.

...... Ok maybe that was more like my 50 cents worth... but hey, it's all good^^