Once Saved Always Saved - Why is it so hard?

[Bible Highlighter]

Knowing someone goes much deeper than "Obey all my commandments".

And the Word of God says otherwise.

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." (1 John 2:3).

What is being forgotten here is that when we accept Christ's gift of salvation to us, we become adopted sons of God. We become His children. That's a relationship that goes beyond obedience to commands. Even a relationship between an employer and employee can go beyond that.

And children can be cast into outer darkness.

"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:12).


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[Kenny'sID]

If you believe heaven us obtained under a law of righteousness you mus yet perfectly obey the law.

For whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it
Hames2:10

So under the law, it is sinless perfection or you stand guilty of breaking the whole law.

Hence the letter kills

That is simply not a fact, and none of what you quote says it's fact. We must be sincere in obeying the law and ask for forgiveness through Christ if we fail, just as we sacrificed animals in the past for forgiveness when we failed.

1 John 1:9King James Version (KJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Or, as per this argument, just and faithful to forgive us our breaking of the law...meaning we are to adhere to the law.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The time IS COMING( it is not their yet)when I will make a NEW covenant......

What is part of Thi NEW covenant?

I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Jeremiah ch31

 

[Aldebaran]

And children can be cast into outer darkness.

"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:12).

You forgot the previous verse: "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."

 

[Kenny'sID]

Knowing someone goes much deeper than "Obey all my commandments".

What is being forgotten here is that when we accept Christ's gift of salvation to us, we become adopted sons of God. We become His children. That's a relationship that goes beyond obedience to commands. Even a relationship between an employer and employee can go beyond that.

That's a fact that, and I have not forgotten it by any means.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Then what was the whole point of Jesus coming to Earth as a human, dying on the cross, being raised from the dead and ascending to Heaven? I don't think it was simply so we could have a NT in addition to the OT.

Jesus came to save both the OT saint and the NT saint.
Without Jesus, there would be no hope for mankind.
But Jesus is not a license to sin.
Jesus can forgive of us of sins that we repent towards Him, but we cannot continue in sin so that grace may abound (Romans 6:1).
Jesus came to set the captives free from not only forgiving sin but in helping us to overcome sin. For 1 John 3:8 says the Son of God was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. This would be the works of the devil (sin) within your life.

So yes. One can be forgiven. But if they go right back to the dark ways of this world then they have not really accepted the gift (Which is Jesus Christ) or they have backslidden into sin (or been deceived into thinking they can sin and still be saved).


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[stuart lawrence]

That is simply not a fact, and none of what you quote says it's fact. We must be sincere in obeying the law and ask for forgiveness through Christ if we fail, just as we sacrificed animals in the past for forgiveness when we failed.

1 John 1:9King James Version (KJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Or, as per this argument, just and faithful to forgive us our breaking of the law...meaning we are to adhere to the law.

That is simply not a fact, and none of what you quote says it's fact. We must be sincere in obeying the law and ask for forgiveness through Christ if we fail, just as we sacrificed animals in the past for forgiveness when we failed.

1 John 1:9King James Version (KJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Or, as per this argument, just and faithful to forgive us our breaking of the law...meaning we are to adhere to the law.

All who RELY on observing the law are under a CURSE. For it I written. Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do EVERYTHING written in the book of the law.
Clearly no one is justified/ righteous before God by the law. The righteous will live by faith
Gal3:10&11

Paul is clear. You are CURSED if you RELY on observing the law

 

[Kenny'sID]

Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

Ask for forgiveness, confess our sins and he is just and faithful to forgive them, and after that, he will remember them no more, just as you say there. That's what forgiveness means, the sin is now gone, no longer in mind.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You forgot the previous verse: "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."

Yes, the children of the Kingdom is more than likely in reference to Jews. They were cut off because of unbelief. But the Scriptures warn that even Gentiles can be cut off, too.

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off" (Romans 11:22).

The point is that they were children of sons, but they did not continue in His goodness. Granted, Israel will one day repent as a nation. But the point here is that a person can be cut off (Regardless if they are a son of God or a child of God).


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[Kenny'sID]

All who RELY on observing the law are under a CURSE. For it I written. Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law.
Clearly no one is justified/ righteous before God by the law. The righteous will live by faith
Gal3:10&11

Paul is clear. You are CURSED if you RELY on observing the law

That is a classic comment in these discussions, but assuming anyone here is just wrong...people relying only on the law is generally never if ever the case. I personally know no one who relies on just keeping the law, but on the full plan of salvation.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Good, so you do not deny SPECIFIC to the new covenant is the law being written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian

It's all of God's Commands in the New Testament.
God will help a believer to write them upon their hearts.
The Spirit helps them to obey His Word and convicts them to repent.

If there is no repentance, then something is wrong with the person and not God.


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[stuart lawrence]

Ask for forgiveness, confess our sins and he is just and faithful to forgive them, and after that, he will remember them no more, just as you say there. That's what forgiveness means, the sin is now gone, no longer in mind.

I will assume you were raised by loving parents. As a child doubtless at times you disobeyed their rules. Between the time you broke your parents rules and asked their forgiveness for doing so, were you in danger of being thrown out of the family home?

Do you believe God loves you less than your earthly parents do/ did?

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is a classic comment in these discussions, but assuming anyone here is just wrong...people relying only on the law is generally never if ever the case. I personally know no one who relies on just keeping the law, but on the full plan of salvation.

You rely on observing the law. Scripture is quite clear. You are cursed if you do

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Wrong. James 2:10 is in perfect alignment with Gal3:10&11 and rom4:14

I didn't say that James 2:10 conflicted with Galatians 3:10-11 and Romans 4:14. You see James 2:10 as James breaking even minor sin. Yet, the context of what James is talking about is a serious sin and not a minor transgression.

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[Kenny'sID]

The time IS COMING( it is not their yet)when I will make a NEW covenant......

What is part of Thi NEW covenant?

I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Jeremiah ch31

So, you are saying the the law written in our hearts is to be obeyed or not to be obeyed?

 

[Kenny'sID]

You rely on observing the law. Scripture is quite clear. You are cursed if you do

You can choose to listen to all I say, or pick and choose in order to twist it, completely up to you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You rely on observing the law. Scripture is quite clear. You are cursed if you do

Again, Paul is talking about the Old Testament Law and not all Law. This is clear according to the context if you were to read it more closely.
For if Paul was talking about all Law, then you could not rely on the Command or Law in 1 John 3:23.


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[stuart lawrence]

It's all of God's Commands in the New Testament.
God will help a believer to write them upon their hearts.
The Spirit helps them to obey His Word and convicts them to repent.

If there is no repentance, then something is wrong with the person and not God.


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Believers dont write the law on their own hearts!!!

I WILL write my laws on their minds and place them on their hearts

 

[stuart lawrence]

You can choose to listen to all I say, or pick and choose in order to twist it, completely up to you.

I'm not twisting anything.
Lets clarify then.

Do you rely on obeying the law to attain heaven?

The answer is yes or no

 

[Aldebaran]

The point is that they were children of sons, but they did not continue in His goodness. Granted, Israel will one day repent as a nation. But the point here is that a person can be cut off (Regardless if they are a son of God or a child of God).

But that's not why they were cut off. It was because they rejected Christ as their Savior. They wanted to continue on under the Law. That's where they thought they were going to get their righteousness from. Christ came to be their Savior, and they rejected Him.