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The law is not based on faithNo finger pointng. Jesus is the source of a person's righteousness and He deserves all the glory, honor, and power, and praise. Jesus is the source of our Justification and Sanctification. For it is God that works within us.
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So you believe the christian is under a righteousness of observing the law. Yet you have no scripture from the new covenant Tha states Tha do you.The Old Testament Law was not just .... some law.
Oh, and yes; I have already answered your question in Post #237.
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The Ten Commandments are an inflexible law. There is no imaginary pass mark of obedience to them that will entitle you to enter heaven. Perfectly obey them or stand guilty before them. There is nothing in those commands that speak of mercy or forgiveness
As you have no scripture from the new covenant that states you have righteousness of observing the law, we cannot continue This discussion. I have much scripture, you have none.Jesus seemed to think that obedience to certain kinds of Laws led to eternal life. In fact, Jesus said in reply to the rich young ruler, "but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).
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The law is not based on faith
Gal5:12
It is one or the other for righteousness
I get you have no scriptural support that states a christian is under any law of righteousnessPaul was addressing the Pharisee religion whereby it was all law as a way of salvation and no faith. There was no love, grace, faith, or mercy in their plan of salvation. It was all law. That is why Paul talked in the way that he did. Paul was not saying that the Old Testament saint did not have faith because they followed the many commands (and not just the 10) under the Old Covenant (or Old Testament).
In other words, when a person ignores Jesus Christ as their savior and makes it all about law, they then have no faith. Do you get it?
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I get you have no scriptural support that states a christian is under any law of righteousness
In fact, Paul tell us we have to die to the law, and he uses as an example of this his inability to obey the Ten CommandmentsPaul was addressing the Pharisee religion whereby it was all law as a way of salvation and no faith. There was no love, grace, faith, or mercy in their plan of salvation. It was all law. That is why Paul talked in the way that he did. Paul was not saying that the Old Testament saint did not have faith because they followed the many commands (and not just the 10) under the Old Covenant (or Old Testament).
In other words, when a person ignores Jesus Christ as their savior and makes it all about law, they then have no faith. Do you get it? I mean, why on Earth do you think Paul talked about circumcision? Is circumcision of the commands given to us by Christ and His followers? No.
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I dont want your faulty exegesis based on you not understanding the new covenant.I already supplied that for you. There is the Command in 1 John 3:23, the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2), the Perfect Law of Liberty (James 1:25) (James 2:12), and the Royal Law (James 2:8).
Paul also said he established the Law.
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I get you have no scriptural support that states a christian is under any law of righteousness
Once again, where us your scripture Tha states a christian is under law unto righteousnessJohn says he that does righteousness is righteous (1 John 3:7).
John says, if we say we know Him and do not keep His commandments we are a liar and the truth is not in us (1 John 2:4).
Paul says if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
It is written, "He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him (Hebrews 5:9).
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I dont want your faulty exegesis based on you not understanding the new covenant.
I want plain scriptural text that states the christian is under law concerning righteousness.
I have much scripture that proves my belief correct, where is yours?
You have no scripture that states the Christian is under law unto righteousness so you just try and invent it. It isn't thereNo. You are simply rejecting the verses that is the answer to the truth that you seek.
I will give you more, though (if that is not enough).
Sin is transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4).
This mean sin exists still uner the New Covenant.
If sin exists than that means there is some kind of Law you can break.
Jesus said if you look upon a woman in lust, your whole body can be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30). Jesus says if you do not forgive, then the Father will not forgive you (Matthew 6:15). Jesus says by your words you can be condemned (Matthew 12:36-37). John says if a man hates his brother he is like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15). John says all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8). John makes no mention of another group of liars who will be saved. Yes, many saints were ONCE sinners as a part of their old life, but they are not that way anymore in Jesus Christ. They are changed. They are new. They are born again and new creatures in Christ. They are crucified with Christ and walk in a new and resurrected life in Him.
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And there it is...no answer. I've know people who do close enough to that hypothetical
In fact, Paul tell us we have to die to the law, and he uses as an example of this his inability to obey the Ten Commandments
You have no scripture that states the Christian is under law unto righteousness so you just try and invent it. It isn't there
John says he that does righteousness is righteous (1 John 3:7).
John says, if we say we know Him and do not keep His commandments we are a liar and the truth is not in us (1 John 2:4).
Paul says if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
It is written, "He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him (Hebrews 5:9).
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When you finally admit you have no scripture Tha states a christian is under law unto righteousness we can move on. As you originally started to this discussion by questioning a christian not being under law Thi point needs to be settled firstCan Christians sin?
Yes or no?
If they can sin, that means they are under some kind of Law because 1 John 3:4 says, "sin is transgression of the Law."
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The above does not address the point made in the post you are responding to.In the bulk of Romans 7, Paul is talking from his perspective as a Pharisee before he became a Christian. It is in Romans 7:25 where Paul concludes as a Christian to his dilema as Pharisee in struggling to keep God's laws.
Paul says, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." (Romans 8:2).
What is the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus?
It is described for us in Romans 8:1. It says,
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who WALK not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Romans 8:1).
What is the law of sin and death?
It is the Law of Moses or the 613 Old Testament Commands (as a whole).
It is called the law of sin and death because you could face capital punishment for breaking God's laws. Meaning, you could die physically.
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