Once Saved Always Saved: True, False, or Misrepresented?

[allykelly07]

I think it best first and foremost to search out the word for the answers it offers.


Hebrews 10:38-39 Now the just shall live by faith: but IF any man DRAW BACK, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:12=14 Take heed, BRETHREN, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, IN DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast UNTO THE END.

Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to COME SHORT OF IT.

Hebrews 4:8-11 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man FALL after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 6:4-9 For IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST, And HAVE TASTED the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we sin wilfully AFTER that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 12:13-17 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: LOOKING DILIGENTLY LEST ANY MAN FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; LEST THERE BE ANY FORNICATOR, OR PROFANE PERSON, AS ESAU, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for HE FOUND NO PLACE OF REPENTANCE, though he sought it carefully with tears.

1 Thessalonians 3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election SURE: for IF ye do these things, ye shall never FALL:

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being LED AWAY with the error of the wicked, FALL from your own stedfastness.

2 Peter 2:20-22 For if AFTER THEY HAVE ESCAPED THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, AFTER THEY HAVE KNOWN IT, TO TURN from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF YE CONTINUE in the faith grounded and settled, and BE NOT MOVED AWAY from the hope of the gospels, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. IF that which ye have heard from the beginning SHALL REMAIN IN YOU, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

Romans 11:19-23 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE in his goodness: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

1 Corinthians 15:1-2 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

2 John 1:8-9 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and ABIDETH NOT in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. HE THAT ABIDETH in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Romans 2:6-10 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who BY PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN WELL DOING seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Is that sufficient for us? Wait, there is more.

Paul said that he kept his body under lest after preaching to others, he himself might become a castaway.

And what of the virgins with no oil, and the ones who said "Lord, Lord, have we not..... and his response was not what they expected to hear.

The soil that sprouted the good seed and sprang to life, that same seed was choked out by the cares of this life.

The man who failed to "dig deep" had his life washed away when the storm hit.

The soil that was shallow had good seed sprout but died when it got too hot in the kitchen

The man who made no gain with the gift the good master had entrusted to him had what he was given taken away and given to another.

The man who was a hearer of the word but not a doer deceived his own self.

The goats fully expected to hear a hearty well done, but were disappointed.

Now, it is our job to not preach our doctrine that we have been taught, but believe the words of our God. Will we?

Now, lest fear drive out any vestiges of faith in our hearts and we feel insecure in this LL TO EVIDENT truth of our Christian faith, I will post again as to the way we can walk fearlessly and not be afraid of all those conditional "IF's". God has a safe place for every single one of us.

Blessings,

Gideon

Amen! There is this verse as well, that didn't come to my mind till now....

Galatians 1:6-10
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

I tried giving them almost all of the verses you gave earlier, but they still didn't listen. I hope they might search the scriptures, to see if these things are so, and ask God to reveal to them, these things.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I tried giving them almost all of the verses you gave earlier, but they still didn't listen. I hope they might search the scriptures, to see if these things are so, and ask God to reveal to them, these things.

oh c'mon we search the scriptures .. we just don't agree with your interpretation . there's a huge difference

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

oh c'mon we search the scriptures .. we just don't agree with your interpretation . there's a huge difference

^ This. It's the same old same old... As a good friend once said, "Sounds like 'I am only repeating what the Bible plainly says' and 'if you disagree with me, you do not disagree with me, but with God/Jesus/Bible.'"

 

[toLiJC]

Were we created for God or was God created for us? You seem to be implying that God’s purpose in the universe is to save all humans. However, we know from Scripture that not everyone will be saved. Some willfully choose to disobey God and will be judged according to His law.

On a side note, I don’t understand your comment about people being our brethren and neighbors. Certainly all of our fellow humans are our brothers and sisters because we are from the same Father. However, some choose to disobey and some choose to follow.

AmishHacker

sorry but we also do not understand your misunderstanding after(forasmuch as) we have written you a complete testimony and explanation for all things about which you still pretend that you ostensibly do not understand, read again all these biblical passages together with the explanations therein and please do not try to explain us again that you still do not understand what means to love your brethren/neighbours so as you would love yourself:

John 12:49 "I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.",

Luke 9:55 "the Son of man is not come(i.e. the true Lord God never comes) to destroy men's lives, but(i.e. but He always comes solely with a view) to save them.",

Matthew 18:11-14 "For the Son of man is come(i.e. for the true Lord God comes) to save that which was lost. How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones(i.e. that anyone of the humans) should perish.",

John 14:6-9 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?",

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.",

1 John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.",

1 Timothy 2:1-10 "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks(i.e. blessings), be made for all men(i.e. for all humans); For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty(i.e. in all goodness and earnestness). For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men(i.e. all humans/souls) to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth(i.e. and to become good/righteous). For there is one God, and one mediator(also: and one Lord) between God and men, the man(i.e. the ensouled being) Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. I will therefore that men(i.e. that the male believers) pray every where, lifting up holy hands(i.e. entirely showing/manifesting love/goodness), without wrath(i.e. without hostility/aggression) and doubting(i.e. and dramatization/stir/intrigues/strife). In like manner also, that women(i.e. that female believers) adorn themselves in modest apparel(i.e. in humility), with shamefacedness(i.e. with meekness) and sobriety(i.e. and sedation/sanity); not with broided hair(i.e. not with pride), or gold(i.e. or vainglory), or pearls(i.e. or wisdom), or costly array(i.e. or elevation); But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.",

Galatians 5:6-14 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision(i.e. neither the human implementation of the old testament i.e. which is not by right faith) availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision(i.e. nor whatever human(666) spirituality/religion); but faith which worketh by love..... For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

all humans are created of God the Father at least via the biological processes of embryonic formation in the wombs of their mothers, so all people are our brethren and neighbours

Blessings

 

[squint]

Read the verses I have given, I have no need to say anything else.

You have plenty to say when your intention is to promote fallen believers to burn alive. That tells me what is in your heart as to intentions.

Judge for yourself where Moses is, according to the word.

Anyone should be able to some to a conclusion on this one if they claim they know their Word.

That verse says, that they cannot come back to repentance. Do you not understand how that means they can't be forgiven any longer?

Are you trying to answer without actually having to?

I have nothing further to say to you,

That's fine. I am OK with placing comparative sights next to anyone's posts for comparisons without their responses.

s

 

[squint]

Believers that heartily AMEN blinded believers going to hell as if that is some sort of fact are bizarre to me. Who in their right mind would AMEN such a thing?

If those various camps believe they can fall in this present life resulting in their eternal torture in fire then who's to say they are even saved presently? It may very well be they are merely the promoters of doubt to other believers. It may be they spend their entire lives saved, and then, at the last minute, they do some violation (some believe even if you think of a sin prior to death you're soon to be toast) their lifetime means nothing.

One of the reasons I don't fellowship real well with quite a few sects is their openly promoted intentions to even burn other believers alive in fire over doctrinal disputes/differences. The ways and means to damn other believers to burn alive over this matter has busted the churches into their believers all carrying damnation to each others perpetually.

IN fact most of you who post here do so with the sole intention of 'resaving' some other believer over their doctrinal positions because in your heart you think they are or could burn alive forever.

THEY ALL WHO STAND THERE HAVE IN FACT ALREADY FALLEN.

Do I think God will burn you alive forever over wanting and promoting in your heart for that to happen to other believers? No. But I do think such people will get a brief taste of their own measures to others at the judgment seat of Christ, you know, to dispel that notion from their hearts, this notion that IF I AM RIGHT ON MY DOCTRINE, THEN I GO TO HEAVEN AND GOD BURNS THE OTHER GUYS:

I think Jesus will give such a little FIRE WASH themselves, you know, just for a bit. Maybe a couple of INTIMIDATION ANGELS will, you know, hook you to some chains and lower you down into the Lake of Fire for a little dip? See how you like it.

1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

If you happen to find yourself in that position, you might think to yourself, wow, I spent my entire life thinking my fellow believers whom I was to love were going to burn alive forever. Then it will hit you.

THAT'S NOT LOVE.

ding...

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

I wouldn't really be interested in notching up too much FIRE TIME.

You?

enjoy!

s

 

[motherprayer]

Wait. I'm confused. WHERE is Moses?

 

[squint]

Wait. I'm confused. WHERE is Moses?

I was pointing out the fact that Moses died in the desert from UNbelief and asked what's her name if Moses was saved, seeing how he factually died from UNbelief.

My answer?

duh.

s

 

[motherprayer]

I was pointing out the fact that Moses died in the desert from UNbelief and asked what's her name if Moses was saved, seeing how he factually died from UNbelief.

My answer?

duh.

s

Wait though. People believe that Moses isn't saved?

 

[squint]

Wait though. People believe that Moses isn't saved?

You might be surprised.

 

[motherprayer]

You might be surprised.

I AM! What!

Wait. I'll be back. I have to go to the Word for this. Give me a minute to unshock myself.

 

[squint]

I AM! What!

Wait. I'll be back. I have to go to the Word for this. Give me a minute to unshock myself.

If you know Moses is saved don't bother.

I'm just saying that you might be surprised by how many don't.

After one has been around for awhile, you know, nothing shocks you anymore and you expect the bizarre to crawl out of the woodwork.

s

 

[motherprayer]

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Joshua 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,
1:2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

Why would God call Moses His servant if He "died in unbelief"?
Then we have the verse that describes his death:
5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.
Which says NOTHING of unbelief?

WHAT is going ON?

 

[squint]

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Joshua 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,
1:2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

Why would God call Moses His servant if He "died in unbelief"?
Then we have the verse that describes his death:
5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.
Which says NOTHING of unbelief?

WHAT is going ON?

Here are the technical's from the text:

Numbers 20:12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

They, in effect, DIED in the desert because they believed not aka UNbelief. This is also the FACT referenced by the writer of Hebrews here:

Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

here:

Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


here:

Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

here in Jude:

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

There are also other reference texts on these matters.

All but two, Joshua and Caleb, or everyone over the age of 20 except 2 people that came out of Egypt were destroyed in the desert before crossing into the promised land and God Himself, after saving them, then destroyed them for....drumroll...

UNbelief.

It is quite easy to connect this matter. Therefore many believe these people not only died in UNbelief as they clearly did, but are then NOT SAVED.

OR if they believe that they are saved, then they must logically conclude that God saves people who died in UNbelief.

s

 

[motherprayer]

I dunno. I always believed that they were left in the desert because they didn't believe, but still died and went to Heaven, because even though they weren't perfect, they still served God. I never before made a connection between Moses' salvation and the salvation of believers today, partly because Moses was under the Old Covenant anyway, which had different "requirements" for salvation than we do.

 

[squint]

I dunno. I always believed that they were left in the desert because they didn't believe, but still died and went to Heaven, because even though they weren't perfect, they still served God. I never before made a connection between Moses' salvation and the salvation of believers today, partly because Moses was under the Old Covenant anyway, which had different "requirements" for salvation than we do.

If you understand that it's good to just stay there. There is a difficulty in not seeing them 'all' saved because to exclude one would dictate Moses at least potentially not on the saved list as well.

As to 'salvation' requirements I don't think it's been any different from the beginning. Faith was also a presentation of law according to Jesus as well.

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

A lot of times people think faith is thee sole arbiter, but God also promises mercy to the merciful and those who practice mercy. Gods Words also say that mercy will be 'less' to those who are not merciful, and says so in the New Testament.

It is not just faith then that has a reward. Spiritual fruit will be MULTIPLIED in the next age. What we have now will be MULTIPLIED to us.

To me it is the epitome of NO MERCY to condemn fallen believers to be burned alive forever. The least such advocates could do would be to pray for same and at least hope for better rather than to guarantee their damnation. No one sees good enough to do that.

No one.

There is ample evidence that God not only can but does save people who died in unbelief. MOSES is a great example.

s

 

[motherprayer]

To me it is the epitome of NO MERCY to condemn fallen believers to be burned alive forever. The least such advocates could do would be to pray for same and at least hope for better rather than to guarantee their damnation. No one sees good enough to do that.

No one.

There is ample evidence that God not only can but does save people who died in unbelief. MOSES is a great example.

s

Exactly! Amen!

 

[pshun2404]

This person is not a Christian. They are not following Christ. They will be damned. OSAS only applies to those who are actually saved. Someone who is truly saved and kept by God won't fall into such sin.

I say an amen to that...the Holy Spirit would never let a person continue in that sin (though anyone, hopefully not, could fall into any sin so be sober, alert, and onguard for the wiles of the adversary whilst still in the flesh). If one is truly sealed with the Holy Spirit they are sealed until the day of redemption not until the next time they screw up or backslide or fall into a sin. Of all who the Father has given Him He will in no wise lose one (not one). I believe in the perseverence of the saints because it is Biblical but it is also demonstrated by the perseverance in the faith. Do not sin, but if you do you have an advocate with the Father, even Jesus Christ, so confess and repent for the sake of sanctification and fear not, He is with us and will NOT leave us OR forsake us. It is a grave error to think once we are (genuinely) saved it is now up to us to maintain that position we were never capable of gaining in the first place. What He has begun in the Spirit He will not end in the flesh... again I say, fear not, He who has begun a good work in us finish what He started. He who promised WILL do it. Do not faulter from this position...it is what constitutes placing one's total trust in the LORD.

In His love

Paul

 

[allykelly07]

I say an amen to that...the Holy Spirit would never let a person continue in that sin (though anyone, hopefully not, could fall into any sin so be sober, alert, and onguard for the wiles of the adversary whilst still in the flesh). If one is truly sealed with the Holy Spirit they are sealed until the day of redemption not until the next time they screw up or backslide or fall into a sin. Of all who the Father has given Him He will in no wise lose one (not one). I believe in the perseverence of the saints because it is Biblical but it is also demonstrated by the perseverance in the faith. Do not sin, but if you do you have an advocate with the Father, even Jesus Christ, so confess and repent for the sake of sanctification and fear not, He is with us and will NOT leave us OR forsake us. It is a grave error to think once we are (genuinely) saved it is now up to us to maintain that position we were never capable of gaining in the first place. What He has begun in the Spirit He will not end in the flesh... again I say, fear not, He who has begun a good work in us finish what He started. He who promised WILL do it. Do not faulter from this position...it is what constitutes placing one's total trust in the LORD.

In His love

Paul

2 Corinthians 5:4-5
4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Timothy 1:13-14
13 What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. 14 Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you—guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.

There are promises to us as believers. But the promises do not come without warnings, and the warnings do not come without reason. Scripture all works together, if we are living by the Spirit, He truly opens our eyes to see, everything that scripture says, becomes alive and real, and the warnings are to spur us on, to make sure that we are walking by the Spirit daily, and not the flesh. To make us continue all the more in the faith, so that we don't lose what we have, so that we are saving ourselves and others.

1 Timothy 4:16
16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Watch your life and doctrine closely, PERSEVERE in them, because IF you do, you will save BOTH yourself, and hearers.

These things are not said for no reason. We must consider these things.


John 15:1-8
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

John 15:9-11
9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.

I am not any better. I know that I also must continue in these things, I would not be speaking in love, to not tell you the truth. If we are lazy farmers, or a farmer that "looks back", God will not be please with us.

Luke 9:57-62
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
The Cost of Following Jesus

57 As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.”

58 Jesus replied, “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

59 He said to another man, “Follow me.”

But the man replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”

60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

61 Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family.”

62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”

Is that the love of Christ you have always heard? He merely wanted to say goodbye to his family, shouldn't he have that right? This is what Christ said, didn't He always act out of love? Or do you not believe what He said there was the true love, that we as humans don't understand. Would it be love, for me to not tell you the truth? Do you now hate me, for telling you what God commands of us to be saved? I would not be acting out of love, to merely tell you that God loves you. Knowing that God loves us, isn't going to save us, there is much more to being a follower of Christ. He says to REMAIN in His love, and REMAIN in Him. He did not say those things for no reason. He said if anyone puts his hand to the plow, if they look back, they are not fit, for the kingdom of God. This is scripture, without me distorting it. I have not added anything in here. When you give me scriptures about what you believe, I gave you scriptures, of how it fits together. The whole word goes together. You can't have the promises, without the conditions, or warnings, and the dangers too. The whole word, not just part of it. In Christ, Rachel

 

[allykelly07]

oh c'mon we search the scriptures .. we just don't agree with your interpretation . there's a huge difference

What is my interpretation? Have I added to what you have read? I only gave scripture, yet those scriptures are my own interpretation?