Undo it it all by turning away from Christ through unbelief.
Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
Hebrews 3:12
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Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps
There is a lot debate today on losing one’s salvation. I’ve decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps.
1. Do something that causes you to lose it.
Now, I don’t know what that “something” could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!
2. Undo all that God did at your salvation.
Now, let’s go down a simple list of things that God did and all you have to do is make this list your check list and mark them all as you undo them.
1) Get God to un-forgive you – Eph. 1:7
2) Get God to un-redeem you - Rom. 3:24
3) Get God to un-circumcise you – Col. 2:13
4) Get God to un-adopt you – Rom. 8:15
5) Get God to un-seat you – Eph. 2:6
6) Get God to un-sanctify you – I Cor. 6:11
7) Get God to un-glorify you – Rom. 8:30
8) Get God to un-seal you – Eph. 1:13
9) Get God to un-justify you – Rom. 3:24; 8:30
10) Get God to un-bless you – Eph. 1:3
11) Get God to un-bury you – Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12
12) Get God to un-raise you – Eph. 2:6
13) Get God to un-quicken you – Eph. 2:1
14) Get God to take Christ out of you – Col. 1:27
15) Get God to take you out of Christ’s physical body – Eph. 5:30
And a few more that I failed to present here.
If you can undo all that God has done for you then you are free and clear once again. Then when you “repent” and get right then all the above 15 things will happen again. Then when you “sin it away” again then you can undo it all over again!
God bless!
That truth you have shared in part is applicable towards being of the firstfruits with Christ as standing apart from those that are Christ at His coming. May the Lord help you see the while picture.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, ....
So those abiding in Him will be partakers with Christ to inherit the eternal glory of being that vessel unto honour in His House that can never die like the angels.
Read Psalm 89 for God's promise to the seed that departed from Him under the New Covenant. This is why the foundation remains & only the works thereon are judged.
Psalm 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.
This is why they are still called His servants when getting their stripes when left behind.
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
If any saved believer runs that race to obtain salvation, then that is a work that denies Him as being their Saviour, and not having entered into that rest provided by Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.....
"........fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith..........." Hebrews 12:2The OSAS argument isn't about God's or Christ's ability to do anything. It's about man's willingness to remain faithful.
Eternal security (and it's corollary OSAS) is entirely Biblical, as well as soundly Christian.
"They, whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified by his Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved. This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father; upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ, the abiding of the Spirit, and of the seed of God within them, and the nature of the covenant of grace: from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof. Nevertheless, they may, through the temptations of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of the means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins; and, for a time, continue therein: whereby they incur God's displeasure, and grieve his Holy Spirit, come to be deprived of some measure of their graces and comforts, have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded; hurt and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves." Westminster Confession of Faith [17]
"Since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God."
1 Peter 1:23
"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."
John 6:37
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."
John 10:27-29
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?"
Romans 8:35
"For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 8:38-39
"For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."
Romans 11:29
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."
1 John 2:19
"And I am sure of this, that He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ."
Philippians 1:6
"If we are faithless, he remains faithful - for he cannot deny himself."
2 Timothy 2:13
Need I go on?
if the quote from the Revelation in re; blotting out does not mean removal of name from Book of Life, what does it mean?
"For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus." Philippians 1:6
Well, that's an oxymoron. Having salvation and being a Christian would be the same thing. Well, in this case anyway. Meaning, they never were a Christian. If one becomes a Christain(gets saved) today, they never were a Christian before today.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11: "Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."(ASV)
What you have quoted is not "losing salvation", it's never having it. If you read it the way you are trying to show it, we are all going to hell. It basically says we are all going to hell for our sins. But fortunatey, because of salvation, we can get by all of this through Christ.
"For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus." Philippians 1:6
He's a lot better at working out my salvation than I am.
Rom 11:29
29 For God’s gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.
New Living Translation (NLT)
Man has free will, to reject.
Also the opposite is a lie,
Once lost, always lost. If you die lost, I believe Jesus, who gained the key from hell and death, can get us out there as well.
Each of those passages needs to be kept in context. However, I'm not sure where Scripture says that Jesus is going to work out someone's salvation. Paul told the Philippians to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling and the context was their obedience. How is it an insult to do what Jesus said to do? When asked about salvation He said to "strive" to enter in at the straight gate. To strive requires action."........fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith..........." Hebrews 12:2
"For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus." Philippians 1:6
He's a lot better at working out my salvation than I am.
"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." Philippians 2:12-13
That's why I'm casting all my cares on Him - and my biggest care in this life is my eternal destiny.
"Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time, casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you." 1 Peter 5:6-7
I'm a contented man guys. Cause I didn't choose Him. He chose me.
I'll keep trying to please Him because of what He has done for me.
But I won't insult Him by telling Him that I am trying to please Him so I can stay saved.
I say one more time. It's a matter of faith - and without faith it's impossible to please Him.
I think you're right when it comes to him being a believer, but I think you're wrong on how clear the scriptures are on whether he went to hell. You might recall that he did seem to repent in Matthew 27:3-10. Based on your own scheme, repentance would surely mean that God would 're-save' him?yes the scriptures give us a very strong evidence of where he went and that he was damned to the lake of fire blotted out of the book of life. All who are not found in that book will be cast into the lake of fire. Jesis said it was better for him if he was not born. And Judas was clearly saved as jesus called him a sheep and belonging to the father even before he was given to jesus and Jesus called to him HIS 12 , Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and he gives unto them eternal life.
I'm not strictly Calvinist, but I think your idea that your case of Judas is watertight enough to 'slay' the teaching of OSAS is extremely over-confident, because I don't think you're reading the nuances well enough here and are making several assumptions. Fine and well if you want to live there, but I don't see a slam-dunk here against OSAS at all.I know this will shatter the false views of many who have in their wisdom of man acted as if all who teach that a person can fall away are in error and many have for years been in their wrong doctrine. But as David slew Golith with one stone to the head and then the sword, one man Judas and the script about him slays this false teaching of OSAS and many other aspects of Calvinism.
This assumes your definition of "believe" is correct.all the passages I referenced indicate that belief is more than a mental ascent and must be a real commitment.
Sadly, this is just nonsense. I've NEVER come close to that goofy conclusion. The Bible is very clear about the warnings of severe divine discipline for those of God's children who rebel. I'd suggest someone else's head that is stuck deep in the sand.Stick your head in the sand if you wish. If you want to have a Christianity where you can sin like no tomorrow and be a christian you will have to do that in your imagination.
Such opinions count for nothing. My salvation is secure because God is holding on to me. John 10:28-29You will have quite a frightening moment the second after you die that way though
This isn't about getting saved. It's about following Christ AS a believer who is already saved. And yeah, it does count a lot to be a true follower of Christ.
This is just more nonsense and is an emotional smokescreen for pushing a false doctrine. Since ALL people HAVE a sinful nature, no one needs a "license" to sin. How silly. We're BORN sinners. No license needed.Please. What you are talking about isn't even grace anymore.You are begging for a license for people to sin rather than then be set free from sin.
My points have been about how to get saved, which doesn't include lifestyle. btw, grace doesn't transform anyone. Grace is the means by which God grants us salvation. Apart from grace, man would have to earn his own salvation, which is totally impossible.I'm saying grace transforms the man that puts his trust in Christ so that he lives in righteousness or at least in repentance. Calling that works is totally ridiculous and scripture twisting. Living a holy life is the fruit of the spirit not works.
Apparently the FACT that plants grew in the 3 soils doesn't impress some. Doesn't matter; plants grew from the seeds in those soils, demonstrating new life.and not a word about them being saved. The only one even mentions salvation is the first seed not hearing the word and believing which is why you ARE tying to conflate it to the rest since there is no more mention of salvation.
The confusion/delusion is not on my side. They all respond positively to the gospel. They are SAVED. But 2 of the soils failed to produce a crop, which was Jesus' point. Believers do get sidetracked and distracted by temptations and the things of life. And such distractions keep the believer from producing a crop.Sorry I am sure you have deluded yourself and are honestly confused but thats just totally ridiculous head ducking. It can't be mind or brain because the last three all hear the gospel and respond to it mentally.
Of course there was only 1 good soil. Does that suggest that only "good" people believe the gospel?? That would be most silly.The ground is obviously heart there is nothing else . Theres only one good soil in the whole text and its the last one. you are trying to get out of it but the passage is clear if you would read it
Ah, so it's all about man keeping himself saved. Got it.The OSAS argument isn't about God's or Christ's ability to do anything. It's about man's willingness to remain faithful.
No, it doesn't mean that at all. It is saying we all go to hell for our sins. It is saying that the cost of all of these sins is hell. But, because of salvation, that cost has been paid for us. If we could lose our salvation because of sin, none of us would go to heaven.1 Corinthians 6:11 English Standard Version (ESV) And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
It means they were once saved. But they lost it as they continued in unrighteousness as fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with men, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners.
Scripture refutes this notion. Paul defined both justification (Rom 3:24, 5:15-17) and eternal life (Rom 6:23) as gifts of God and then stated in Rom 11:29 that God's gifts and calling are IRREVOCABLE. They CANNOT be returned, refunded, given away, etc.1)Salvation is a gift from God. Gifts may be returned/refused.
Irrelevant to what Scripture SAYS about eternal life. btw, eternal life isn't some object, like money, or anything else. Eternal life means exactly what it SAYS; eternal. Lasts forever. And it's IN you, not in your pocket or ON you.I might give you a hundred dollars forever, but I can't control if you throw or give away.
I believe this is heresy. Man CANNOT maintain anything. God gives eternal life to those who believe, and the aorist tense is used a number of times, which carries NO concept of continuing action, only point in time action.2)We are saved by grace (God's grace) through faith (our faith). Salvation is a two-part contract. Both parties must maintain the contract for it to be valid.
Please back up this notion with Scripture.God does not 'hold' us so tightly that we cannot leave if we insist.
Freedom to reject does NOT equal loss of salvation. That is just an old wive's tale; fiction. Not taught in the Bible.King Saul started out a Godly man, even prophesying, but he turned away. If we have freedom to accept God, we have freedom to reject.
Yes, salvation, or the free gift of eternal life must be accepted. And when accepted, it is IRREVOCABLE. btw, there is no such thing as the 'sinner's prayer' for salvation. Paul never told the jailer to pray to be saved. He told him to BELIEVE and he would be saved.3)Salvation must be accepted, else there would be no need for the 'sinner's prayer' of repentance.
This is a fallacy. No where in Scripture is this taught. I have no idea why people believe such stuff.Again, if we have the freedom to accept, we have the freedom to reject.
Scholars refer to this verse as a "litotes", which is a form of understatement: Rhetoric 1. understatement, especially that in which an affirmative is expressed by the negative of its contrary, as in “not bad at all.”.if the quote from the Revelation in re; blotting out does not mean removal of name from Book of Life, what does it mean?
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