"On White Privilege"

[Rick Otto]

This stuff needs to be mocked and ridiculed. It's evil. You have to assume they're teaching youngsters this twisted nonsense, all to perpetuate another generation of division and suspicion and perceived victimhood, and guarantee continued careers for race baiters like the SPLC. It does nothing but harm to both black folks and white folks.

Except when it is about peace, love, and understanding.

 

[Chesterton]

Whoa...pump the brakes. He can't suggest that his attack was racially motivated? Is that what you're saying?

I think she's just upset that I implied black guys might generally be good at running fast. And she's right, she caught me. It's a complete lie I just made up out of the blue.

 

[nightflight]

This stuff needs to be mocked and ridiculed. It's evil. You have to assume they're teaching youngsters this twisted nonsense, all to perpetuate another generation of division and suspicion and perceived victimhood, and guarantee continued careers for race baiters like the SPLC. It does nothing but harm to both black folks and white folks.

QFT

 

[rturner76]

This stuff needs to be mocked and ridiculed. It's evil. You have to assume they're teaching youngsters this twisted nonsense, all to perpetuate another generation of division and suspicion and perceived victimhood, and guarantee continued careers for race baiters like the SPLC. It does nothing but harm to both black folks and white folks.

Soj ust keep our heads down and pretend it doesn't exist?

 

[nightflight]

None of this will matter in a few years when whites become a minority. Whites will no longer have the political power to be so magnanimous and self-denying; the new power-groups, Hispanics and Asians won't care (they don't share the same history with black Americans as whites do).

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Your comment doesn't even reflect what was posted here. "Blacks blame whites, whites blame blacks." Where?

Well while I don't know whos black or white (or other for that matter). I just see blame going back and forth.

None of this will matter in a few years when whites become a minority. Whites will no longer have the political power to be so magnanimous and self-denying; the new power-groups, Hispanics and Asians won't care (they don't share the same history with black Americans as whites do).

True Hispanics will be the bigger power. And sadly I feel they will change this country into a new mexico. As it is most thing I see have english and spanish on them now. I've seen some who want the US flag changed to add a smaller version of the mexican flag. And some want the anthem here sang in the other language. Which makes zero sense. Its america. I hate to be "that guy" but if your here learn to speak english. Its like me going to Japan and telling them you can only speak english, despite the fact your Japan. Granted alot of the world knows english already.

But its not a end of the world thing because america is falling apart as it is. If something like what they want to do happens, it will just topple like Rome did. Well... to be fair America will fall regardless. We are the new Sodom and Gomorrah. I only live here because its the best there is left on the planet. Though if I had my health I'd move to my wifes country. Even though its full of corruption and has issues. I don't want to be in America when we fall. Gods judgement and all.

America is not mentioned in the bible. Other countries are in terms of how they mention them. Nothing that reminds me of america though.

 

[SummerMadness]

Well while I don't know whos black or white (or other for that matter). I just see blame going back and forth.

What blame is being assigned?

True Hispanics will be the bigger power. And sadly I feel they will change this country into a new mexico. As it is most thing I see have english and spanish on them now. I've seen some who want the US flag changed to add a smaller version of the mexican flag. And some want the anthem here sang in the other language. Which makes zero sense. Its america. I hate to be "that guy" but if your here learn to speak english. Its like me going to Japan and telling them you can only speak english, despite the fact your Japan. Granted alot of the world knows english already.

What's wrong with New Mexico? I lived there for several years, it's a fine state. Where have you seen any of the things you claim, I don't believe you, it sounds more like you're trying to advance an agenda to make it seem like "them foreigners" are destroying American society. Slight bit of irony, your use of the English language here is far from perfect (I'm not trying to be one of those people that attacks another poster's spelling/grammar, but you can't help it when they go on a rant about English).

America is not mentioned in the bible. Other countries are in terms of how they mention them. Nothing that reminds me of america though.

Why would the United States be mentioned in the Bible? You're talking about a collection of texts with the most recent ones written almost two millennia ago.

 

[SummerMadness]

I think she's just upset that I implied black guys might generally be good at running fast. And she's right, she caught me. It's a complete lie I just made up out of the blue.

Everyone knows ethnic stereotypes are true! Yep, all black guys can run fast, it's just a simple fact.

 

[Ken-1122]

Even controlling for income and socioeconomic status, there is still a disparity, that's the point.

I’m not suggesting racism doesn’t exist; (they say Asians are under represented in the professional field when you compare how much better they do than whites scholastically) Sure racism is a problem that will never go away, but the biggest problems black people have is not racism, but a culture that glorifies the thug life, street cred, and other negative behaviors, and a breakdown of the family (by far the highest percentage of single mothers of any race group)

These are problems that can only be fixed by black people themselves rather than pointing fingers at everything and everyone else. Of course it it much easier to point the finger at everything else rather than to admit to having a problem.

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

Um, racism is still a problem, even if you're black and have money. Race trumps class.

Poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids

First problem with those statics is, they are over 30 years old. Have anything more recent?

Second, they didn’t mention if rich black kids commit more violent and earned those higher incarceration rates than rich white kids. Many of the rich black kids feel a need to show they have street cred for fear of the appearance of “selling out”, or “acting white” and this often results in problems with the law.

It isn’t just white police officers who are arresting black people in disproportionate numbers, black police officers do this as well (there is an attempt in many big cities to have the police force to represent the community they patrol in ethnically) so obviously there is a lot more than just race that is going on here.


Ken

 

[Paidiske]

obviously there is a lot more than just race that is going on here.

Of course. This is called intersectionality (overlapping or intersecting social identities and related systems of oppression, domination, or discrimination).

I don't think that means we should ignore the racial component, though?

 

[SummerMadness]

I’m not suggesting racism doesn’t exist; (they say Asians are under represented in the professional field when you compare how much better they do than whites scholastically) Sure racism is a problem that will never go away, but the biggest problems black people have is not racism, but a culture that glorifies the thug life, street cred, and other negative behaviors, and a breakdown of the family (by far the highest percentage of single mothers of any race group)

These are problems that can only be fixed by black people themselves rather than pointing fingers at everything and everyone else. Of course it it much easier to point the finger at everything else rather than to admit to having a problem.

Ken

The biggest problem facing a black family trying to buy a home is thug life, not the lenders pushing them into loans that they would not give a white family or not giving them a loan at all?

The problem a black job applicant faces is thug life, not the discrimination based on his first name?

The problem a black person faces when answering an ad online for a room share is thug life, not the people who deny their request due to their name or skin color?

The problem a black person faces with unlawful and unjustified stops by the police is thug life, not the racist practices of the police?

The problem of police exchanging racist, homophobic and sexist tweets is thug life?

I disagree that racism is a problem that will not go away. However, there is a sense of irony when black people are told to take personal responsibility, like I must take responsibility for someone else treating me unfairly because of their perception of what someone else (not me) has done or based on what they've seen on TV?

 

[Ken-1122]

Even assuming this were the case (it isn't), you do realize that you've just made a case for reparations, right? The reason most Black people live in poor, violent, high-crime neighborhoods is because of the combination of redlining (ongoing to this day I might add) and the various policies that destroyed the inner city.

No that isn't an argument for reparations, it's an explanation for why living in a high crime neighborhood results in more problems than just the crime of that neighborhood.

Ken

 

[SummerMadness]

First problem with those statics is, they are over 30 years old. Have anything more recent?

Second, they didn’t mention if rich black kids commit more violent and earned those higher incarceration rates than rich white kids. Many of the rich black kids feel a need to show they have street cred for fear of the appearance of “selling out”, or “acting white” and this often results in problems with the law.

It isn’t just white police officers who are arresting black people in disproportionate numbers, black police officers do this as well (there is an attempt in many big cities to have the police force to represent the community they patrol in ethnically) so obviously there is a lot more than just race that is going on here.


Ken

You didn't read the journal article, did you? Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.

 

[nightflight]

Of course. This is called intersectionality (overlapping or intersecting social identities and related systems of oppression, domination, or discrimination).

I don't think that means we should ignore the racial component, though?

When people leave your church on Sunday, do they leave with a greater sense of guilt then when they came in?

 

[Paidiske]

When people leave your church on Sunday, do they leave with a greater sense of guilt then when they came in?

What on earth....?

I hope not, if only because together we have confessed and been absolved, we have heard from and reflected on Scripture in ways intended to be edifying and encouraging, we have experienced intimacy with a loving God, and we have been sent out into the world God loves, to live and work to God's praise and glory (ie. to commit ourselves to the good of our neighbours as well as ourselves).

What in that is about guilt....?

 

[nightflight]

What on earth....?

I hope not, if only because together we have confessed and been absolved, we have heard from and reflected on Scripture in ways intended to be edifying and encouraging, we have experienced intimacy with a loving God, and we have been sent out into the world God loves, to live and work to God's praise and glory (ie. to commit ourselves to the good of our neighbours as well as ourselves).

What in that is about guilt....?

Do they get a good dose of social justice talk? To me, all this white guilt is like a secular version of original sin.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I will look this up further. I want to get to some more responses but for now I'm pretty sure in education, housing, medical care, employment, and I'm sure many other categories, white males have more advantage. I will try to look some things up I guess I'll just start with Google and see what government and university websites I can find


My responses to your other questions are in the quote.I don't know how to break it up to answer them separately.

This is rather astonishing...you want me to research your side of the argument and look for statistics that support your views?


No problem...while I'm doing that, you go ahead and find statistics that support my views. Not interested?

Oh well, I guess we'll have to do this the usual way and support our own arguments. Let me know when you find something to support yours, ok?

 

[Paidiske]

Do they get a good dose of social justice talk?

On occasion, when it's a relevant application of the Scripture for the day. It's not the only theme I ever preach on.

But to me, it's just not about guilt. It's about hope and encouragement. It's about saying that if every human being is made in the image of God, then every human being is equally deserving of worth and dignity, and that has implications for how we live together, our social structures as much as our personal interactions.

 

[Rick Otto]

I’m not suggesting racism doesn’t exist; (they say Asians are under represented in the professional field when you compare how much better they do than whites scholastically) Sure racism is a problem that will never go away, but the biggest problems black people have is not racism, but a culture that glorifies the thug life, street cred, and other negative behaviors, and a breakdown of the family (by far the highest percentage of single mothers of any race group)

These are problems that can only be fixed by black people themselves rather than pointing fingers at everything and everyone else. Of course it it much easier to point the finger at everything else rather than to admit to having a problem.

Ken

They are still human, so they would still have the same problems all humanity has, but "their problem" is exacerbated by those who have traditionally left them with few options.