justlookinla
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Neither shows there's been no regeneration. Both show that scripture has been embraced in contrast to the doctrines of men.
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On the Trinity vs Oneness
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Neither shows there's been no regeneration. Both show that scripture has been embraced in contrast to the doctrines of men.
Isaiah55:6
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The God of scripture
No it would mean God wrapped himself in flesh. If he hit his thumb with a hammer and his nail fell off I wouldn't get on my knees and worship his fingernail.
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Isaiah55:6
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It's just logical thinking. If the word is God and the word became a man, logically that man is God.
The deity of Christ is essential to the Christian Faith. What do Christian cults have in common with each other? The denial of Christ's deity.
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Hi,
Salvation to me, is being alive after an earthly death, like those who alive at the time of Noah that Jesus went down to see, but being with God in some fashion rather than separate from Him.
Life and death, Biblically, have this definition some of the time. Other times, life and death are only an earthly life and death.
The work, Biblically, is in seeing which is which when you can.
LOVE,
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Hi,
I would say that Oneness and Trinity are important, when and if God makes that important to you.
It is like the ideas in Romans 14 on what is actually true, and what you can believe or handle on this day and in this year.
The idea Jesus gave the Apostles in Mark 9:38-42, is one of not having to have it precisely correct, to still be okay with God.
LOVE,
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justlookinla
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Logically thinking, if someone was with someone, they're two different entities. If God is with God that indicates one God is with another God who isn't the first God.
No it's not. It's essential to Trinitarianism.
What do Christian cults have in common with each other? Splitting God into three parts.
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The John Wesley methods and Christian growth...
1. Justification - Faith to enter in
2. Salvation - As simple as acknowledging and believing on Jesus Christ
3. Sanctification - With a sweet spirit
4. Witness of the Spirit
The Wesleyan way to acquire sanctification was with love and a sweet spirit. An old story goes of a farmer man who was seeking sanctification and gets upset at his horses for not plowing straight wind rows. His wife then yells out the door, "Not yet honey... Not yet!" When you get sanctified in these methods the first ones to know about it will be the family pets, instead of kicking them you will rub them and show a little love.
William Seymour, architect of the Pentecostal revival, wrote about the following methods in receiving the Baptism in the Holy Ghost in metaphor of the Hebrew Temple...
1. Justification - Outer Gates - The Faith to enter in!
2. Salvation - Alter - Jesus is our sacrifice!
3. Sanctification - Laver - Sanctifying the outside man
***The Inner Temple = Inside Sanctification***
4. Bible Reading - Table of Shewbread
5. Proper spiritual light (faith, hope, charity, joy) / Energy (Motivation, warmth, love) - Candlestick
6. Prayer and Praise! At the Alter of Golden Incense!
***The Ark of the Covenant and true baptism in the Holy Ghost***
7. The Shekinah Glory - Holy of Holies
Smith Wigglesworth describes the importance of sanctification....
Smith Wigglesworth also emphasizes that the Giver is to be received before the gifts. Salvation always precedes sanctification, and sanctification will always precede the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Sanctification prepares the body for the Holy Spirit, and when the body is rightly prepared for the Holy Spirit, and then it is the work of Jesus to baptize with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit then makes Jesus king in your life; you regard him as Lord and Master over all things, and you become submissive to him in all things. You are not afraid to say, “You are mine! I love you!”
Smith Wigglesworth, like his earlier Methodist mentors, believed sanctification as something that sweetens the spirit up, making people more spiritual and loving. His wife once testified that she knew Smith was sanctified when he quit complaining over his food. Wigglesworth states that we are sanctified so that nothing hinders us in the manifestation of the Glory of God. In this way we are robbed of all pride, evil, and freely led of the Spirit. Evil thoughts come from the unclean believer, the man who is not entirely sanctified.
Wigglesworth also stresses obedience as a fruit of sanctification. The Word is to be swallowed, not prayed over! If you ever pray over the Word of God there is some disobedience; where there is some disobedience; you are not willing to obey. If you come into the election of the sanctification of the Spirit, you will be obedient in everything concerning that Word. In the measure you are not obedient, you have not come into the sanctification of the Spirit. – Smith Wigglesworth, New Zealand, 1922
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The problem with the oneness Pentecostals is that they do not believe you are saved unless you speak in tongues. As a result the sanctifying process goes out the window. I worked with a oneness Pentecostal who was about the most cold individual I have met. He then experiences trouble in the church and ends up backsliding. I saw no change in his character during the whole terrible ordeal.
1. Justification - Faith to enter in
2. Salvation - As simple as acknowledging and believing on Jesus Christ
3. Sanctification - With a sweet spirit
4. Witness of the Spirit
The Wesleyan way to acquire sanctification was with love and a sweet spirit. An old story goes of a farmer man who was seeking sanctification and gets upset at his horses for not plowing straight wind rows. His wife then yells out the door, "Not yet honey... Not yet!" When you get sanctified in these methods the first ones to know about it will be the family pets, instead of kicking them you will rub them and show a little love.
William Seymour, architect of the Pentecostal revival, wrote about the following methods in receiving the Baptism in the Holy Ghost in metaphor of the Hebrew Temple...
1. Justification - Outer Gates - The Faith to enter in!
2. Salvation - Alter - Jesus is our sacrifice!
3. Sanctification - Laver - Sanctifying the outside man
***The Inner Temple = Inside Sanctification***
4. Bible Reading - Table of Shewbread
5. Proper spiritual light (faith, hope, charity, joy) / Energy (Motivation, warmth, love) - Candlestick
6. Prayer and Praise! At the Alter of Golden Incense!
***The Ark of the Covenant and true baptism in the Holy Ghost***
7. The Shekinah Glory - Holy of Holies
Smith Wigglesworth describes the importance of sanctification....
Smith Wigglesworth also emphasizes that the Giver is to be received before the gifts. Salvation always precedes sanctification, and sanctification will always precede the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Sanctification prepares the body for the Holy Spirit, and when the body is rightly prepared for the Holy Spirit, and then it is the work of Jesus to baptize with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit then makes Jesus king in your life; you regard him as Lord and Master over all things, and you become submissive to him in all things. You are not afraid to say, “You are mine! I love you!”
Smith Wigglesworth, like his earlier Methodist mentors, believed sanctification as something that sweetens the spirit up, making people more spiritual and loving. His wife once testified that she knew Smith was sanctified when he quit complaining over his food. Wigglesworth states that we are sanctified so that nothing hinders us in the manifestation of the Glory of God. In this way we are robbed of all pride, evil, and freely led of the Spirit. Evil thoughts come from the unclean believer, the man who is not entirely sanctified.
Wigglesworth also stresses obedience as a fruit of sanctification. The Word is to be swallowed, not prayed over! If you ever pray over the Word of God there is some disobedience; where there is some disobedience; you are not willing to obey. If you come into the election of the sanctification of the Spirit, you will be obedient in everything concerning that Word. In the measure you are not obedient, you have not come into the sanctification of the Spirit. – Smith Wigglesworth, New Zealand, 1922
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The problem with the oneness Pentecostals is that they do not believe you are saved unless you speak in tongues. As a result the sanctifying process goes out the window. I worked with a oneness Pentecostal who was about the most cold individual I have met. He then experiences trouble in the church and ends up backsliding. I saw no change in his character during the whole terrible ordeal.
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Isaiah55:6
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So you think Jesus is a God separate from God the father?
And also,
(EXO 6:3) "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them."
Who is the 'God almighty' who 'appeared' to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob if the father cannot be seen?
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Isaiah55:6
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Jesus Christ is the God of scripture. The father, (the word) Son and Holy Spirit are all together Jehovah.
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justlookinla
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Nope. I think Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God....as scripture plainly says.
A man?
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
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Isaiah55:6
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I just proved to you using scripture that Jesus is God. The word WAS God, the WORD BECAME FLESH. Therefor Jesus is God. There is no other way to view this.
Yes, God ( the pre-incarnate Christ) took the form of a man.
Let's try another.
(Zac 14:3-4) Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.
Here we have 'Gods' feet touching the mount of olives and the mountain splits.
Is this God the fathers feet or Jesus feet? If you say Jesus feet then you must admit Jesus is God.
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justlookinla
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No, you ignored the issue with the term 'with God', which is reinerated in verse 2.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Actually, it was men who appeared before Abraham, not man. Are you suggesting that one of the men was the Father....or was one of the men Jesus?
It's Jesus's feet. Why must I admit Jesus is God?
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Isaiah55:6
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I have no problem with this. The son was with the father. That's why I said this can only be understood in light of the trinity. I would like to know your interpretation of this. If the word was God, how is the word not God? That's a contradiction
One of the men was pre-incarnate Christ because it says God appeared and we also know no one can see the Father.
Because the context of the verse is that it's God coming down
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Hi,
If you guys actually figure this out somehow, it will be nice.
If Jesus , almost 2000 years ago, said something like no man has seen The Father, how is it that Abraham, Moses possibly, and Job saw God according to the Bible? Is God more than just The Father?
Then in John 6 I think, Jesus says that He can show The Father to anyone that He chooses to.
If God, were more like The Job, rather than a single person now, unlike before Jesus was Begotten and The Holy Spirit Sent, then Would Oneness in actions exist?
LOVE,
If you guys actually figure this out somehow, it will be nice.
If Jesus , almost 2000 years ago, said something like no man has seen The Father, how is it that Abraham, Moses possibly, and Job saw God according to the Bible? Is God more than just The Father?
Then in John 6 I think, Jesus says that He can show The Father to anyone that He chooses to.
If God, were more like The Job, rather than a single person now, unlike before Jesus was Begotten and The Holy Spirit Sent, then Would Oneness in actions exist?
LOVE,
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