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God foreknew that Abraham and his descendants would obey enough so that "the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him" Genesis 18:19. God did not arbitrarily choose Abraham leaving things to chance that Abraham might or might not obey.God called first, but Abraham still exercised free will in response to God's call.
None of the forgoing proves that men can choose on their own without God giving them the ability, which we attribute to Grace. Of course it does! No one is saying that God chooses sinners to be saved in their sins. He chooses (if that is what he does) people to receive saving Faith, thus appropriating what Christ did for them in sacrificing himself as a propitiation for sin.
Catholics do not hold to the Calvinist (and seemingly Lutheran) view of grace/predestination, if that is the impression you have.I agree that God enlightens the mind but that enlightenment comes when man hear/reads God's word (Romans 10:17; Ephesians 3:4) and not by God arbitrarily selecting certain men to 'regenerate' and 'enlighten' separate and apart from the word.
You cite Tts 2 where is says grace...teaches. Therefore Christianity is a 'taught' religion. John 6:45 God draws men when men have been 'taught', 'heard' and 'learn' then man of his own free will comes to Christ. Grace therefore is not given randomly to some apart from the word making God a respecter of persons and culpable for the lost. If God is to arbitrarily select certain men, miraculously enlighten their minds apart from the word then the great commission of Christ serves no purpose.
Do you imagine, then, that man from birth does know all about God, his nature and his doings, and without any assistance?There is nothing anywhere in the bible that says man is unable to understand and choose without God first acting upon him miraculously.
You posted earlier "It is a supernatural help of God that enlightens our mind and strengthens our will to do good and avoid evil."Catholics do not hold to the Calvinist (and seemingly Lutheran) view of grace/predestination, if that is the impression you have.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Actual Grace
The universality of actual grace
The universality of grace does not conflict with its gratuity, if God, in virtue of his will to save all men, distributes with sovereign liberty his graces to all adults without exception. But if the universality of grace is only a result of the Divine will to save all mankind, we must first turn our attention to the latter as the basis of the former.
God's will to save all men
By the "will to save" (voluntas Dei salvifica) theologians understand the earnest and sincere will of God to free all men from sin and lead them to supernatural happiness. As this will refers to human nature as such, it is a merciful will, also called "first" or "antecedent will" (voluntas prima sive antecedens). It is not absolute, but conditional, inasmuch as no one is saved if he does not will it or does not comply with the conditions laid down by God for salvation. The "second" or "consequent will" (voluntas secunda sive consequens), on the contrary, can only be absolute, i.e. a will of justice, as God must simply reward or punish according as one has deserved by his works heaven or hell. We consider here solely the "antecedent will" to save; regarding the will of justice see PREDESTINATION.
Against the error of the Calvinists and Jansenists the ecclesiastical teaching authority (cf. Council of Trent, Sess. VI, can. xvii; Prop. v Jansenii damn., in Denzinger, n. 827, 1096) proclaimed in the first place the doctrine that God seriously wills the salvation not of the predestined only, but also of other men.
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The universality of grace
The universality of grace is a necessary consequence of the will to save all men. For adults this will transforms itself into the concrete Divine will to distribute "sufficient" graces; it evidently involves no obligation on God to bestow only "efficacious" graces. If it can be established, therefore, that God grants to the three classes of the just, sinners, and infidels truly sufficient graces for their eternal salvation, the proof of the universality of grace will have been furnished. Without prejudice to this universality, God may either await the moment of its actual necessity before bestowing grace, or He may, even in time of need (e.g. in vehement temptation), grant immediately only the grace of prayer (gratia orationis sive remote sufficiens). But in the latter case he must be ever ready to confer immediate grace for action (gr. operationis s. proxime sufficiens), if the adult has made a faithful use of the grace of prayer.
So far as the category of the just is concerned, the heretical proposition of Jansen, that "the observance of some commandments of God is impossible to the just for want of grace" (see Denzinger, n. 1092), had already been exploded by the anathema of the Council of Trent (see Council of Trent, Sess. VI, can. xviii). In fact Holy Writ teaches concerning the just, that the yoke of Jesus is sweet, and His burden light (Matthew 11:30), that the commandments of God are not heavy (I John, v, 3), that "God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which you are able: but will make also with temptation issue, that you may be able to bear it" (1 Corinthians 10:13). These statements warrant not only the full possibility of the observance of the Divine commandments and the triumph over vehement temptation;, they virtually express simultaneously the concession of the necessary grace without which all these salutary acts are known to be absolutely impossible. It is true that in the polemical writings of some Fathers of the Church against the Pelagians and Semipelagians we read the proposition: "The grace of God is not granted to all." But a closer examination of the passages immediately reveals the fact that they speak of efficacious, not of sufficient, grace.
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The third and last question arises: Is the grace of God also conceded to the heathen? The Divine readiness to grant assistance also to the heathen (see Denzinger, n. 1295, 1379) is a certain truth confirmed by the Church against the Jansenists Arnauld and Quesnel. To question it is to deny the above-demonstrated intention of God to save all men; for the overwhelming majority of mankind would fall outside its range. The Apostle of the Gentiles, Paul (Rom., ii, 6 sqq.), lays stress on God's impartiality towards Jews and Greeks, without "respect of persons", on the Day of Judgment, when he will reward also the Greek "that worketh good" with eternal life. The Fathers of the Church, as Clement of Rome (I ep. ad Cor. vii), Clement of Alexandria (Cohort. ad gent., 9), and Chrysostom (Hom. viii in John, n. 1), do not doubt the dispensation of sufficient graces to the nations "that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death". Orosius (De arbitr. libert., n. 19), a disciple of St. Augustine, proceeds so far in his optimism as to believe in this distribution of grace "quotidie per tempora, per dies, per momenta, per atoma et cunctis et singulis" (daily through the seasons, through the days, through the moments, through the smallest possible divisions of time, and to all men and every man). But the clearer the fact, the more obscure the manner. In what way, one instinctively asks, did God provide for the salvation of the heathen? Theologians to-day generally give the following presentation of the process: It is presupposed that, according to Hebr., xi, 6, the two dogmas of the existence of God and of future retribution must be, in all instances, believed not only, by necessity of means (necessitate medii), but also with explicit faith (fide explicita) before the process of justification can be initiated. As a consequence, God will not refrain in extraordinary cases from miraculous intervention in order to save a noble-minded heathen who conscientiously observes the natural moral law. He may either, in a miraculous manner, depute a missionary to him (Acts 1:1 sqq.), or teach him the revealed truth through an angel (Cardinal Toletus), or he may come to his assistance by an interior private revelation. It is clear, nevertheless, that these different ways cannot be considered as everyday ordinary means. For the multitude of heathen this assistance must be found in a universal means of salvation equally independent of wonderful events and of the preaching of Christian missionaries. Some modern theologians discover it in the circumstance that the two dogmas mentioned above were already contained in the primitive supernatural revelation made in Paradise for all mankind. These truths were subsequently spread over the whole world, survive, as a meagre remnant, in the traditions of the pagan nations, and are orally transmitted from generation to generation as supernatural truths of salvation. The knowableness of these dogmas by unaided reason does not constitute an objection, for they are simultaneously natural and revealed truths. Once the condition of external preaching (cf. Rom., x, 17: "fides ex auditu") has thus been fulfilled, it only remains for God to hasten to man's assistance with his supernatural illuminating and strengthening grace and to initiate with the faith in God and retribution (which implicitly includes all else necessary for salvation) the process of justification. In this manner the attainment of the state of grace and of eternal glory becomes possible for the heathen who faithfully co-operates with the grace of vocation. However all this may be, one thing is certain: every heathen who incurs eternal damnation will be forced on the last day to the honest confession: "It is not for want of grace, but through my own fault that I am lost."
No, as I posted earlier Christianity is a "taught" religion (grace teaches - Titus 2). Man is taught by the word therefore no supernatural assistance is needed nor warranted apart from the word.Do you imagine, then, that man from birth does know all about God, his nature and his doings, and without any assistance?
I don't. Sorry, no.
You posted earlier "It is a supernatural help of God that enlightens our mind and strengthens our will to do good and avoid evil."
My point was that God does NOT supernaturally enlighten men's minds. God gave man His written word where man can read and understand (be enlightened), Ephesians 3:3-4. Note that Paul did NOT say to these Ephesians 'that when ye read ye may understand only with supernatural help from the Holy Spirit.' Hence grace teaches man and man has the ability to understand with no supernatural help from God.
Man is taught by the word therefore no supernatural assistance is needed nor warranted apart from the word.
Nonbelievers do not have Godly type Love and without Godly type Love can do nothing of spiritual value: 1 Cor. 13: 1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Everything God does glorifies Himself. God will be glorified by all that He's ordained. That doesn't mean that all of our actions are intended to glorify Him.For an act to be good it needs to be motivated by glorifying God? I'd have thought that glorifying God was sufficient regardless of the motive. Cyrus liberated captive Judah and Israel which was good. Who knows what his motive was?
So your "proof" is that I can't prove otherwise? That's not in the text.Yes.
Do you deny men were taught God's word in Acts 2 and 7?
Do you deny they understood what was taught?
Do you have proof they did not have the ability to understand what was taught unless first acted upon by God? If God must first miraculously act upon man first before man can understand, then what purpose did it serve for God to first miraculously act upon those hearers in Acts 7 just so they could understand but then to only reject what they understood?
No, as I posted earlier Christianity is a "taught" religion (grace teaches - Titus 2). Man is taught by the word therefore no supernatural assistance is needed nor warranted apart from the word.
Everything God does glorifies Himself. God will be glorified by all that He's ordained. That doesn't mean that all of our actions are intended to glorify Him.
If you cannot read the heart an answer to your question about motives is irrelevant. Caiaphas did good in his prophecy and Cyrus did good in freeing Judah and Israel.Everything God does glorifies Himself. God will be glorified by all that He's ordained. That doesn't mean that all of our actions are intended to glorify Him.
Motives are extremely relevant. Otherwise "good" people can get to heaven by their "good" works.If you cannot read the heart an answer to your question about motives is irrelevant. Caiaphas did good in his prophecy and Cyrus did good in freeing Judah and Israel.
Well, that is the question, isn't it? There are verses that lean one way on that issue but there also are verses that lean the other way. That's why there is an ongoing controversy.Dear Albion. God has given us free will, we can say Yes, or No, to God: s Will.
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