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God doesn't change his mind. Those instances in the Bible where God appears to change his mind are rather him responding man for the benefit of man.If God is omniscient, why did he change his mind? Didn't he know the future?
One and infinity are concepts. God is a being.All is One... infinity and zero have similar properties... this article might shed a bit of light on the concept.
http://everythingforever.com/st_math.htm
Except that pronouns referring to God have been masculine in every language they have been translated into (barring those languages that do not have a gender system, e.g. some Asian languages). God was masculine long before English even existed.Because the lexical structure of English is inherently biased towards the male, therefore the standard pronoun for indefinite entities is 'he'.
Correct.Scientists generally agree that Time is a physical property of our universe, it is a creation. If a God created the universe, he is probably not bound by time himself- being timeless in existence; outside of time. If that is true, he wouldn't have a past or a "future mind" because he has already thought of it. It's not linear.
No, that's logically impossible. It's tantamount to God making true false. If he makes true false then what is false? Moreover, what is true? God can do anything that is possible--but not all things are possible.
Soli Deo Gloria
Jon
Infinity is not a number. It is not possible to "count to infinity." God is not an object in the universe nor can become one; however, since he created both light and physics, he could easily create something that travels faster than the speed of light. And have you not read that God created everything from nothing?So he is not omnipotent? God could never count to infinity? God could never go faster than the speed of light if he was an object inside the universe? God could never make something from nothing inside the universe? All those things are logically impossible. Im not sure if i like youre answer.
There are a number of theoretical and practical examples of particles exceeding the speed of light, sometimes by factors of up to 30 orders of magnitude. The latter part of what you said is absolutely right, though: "In him we live and move and have our being."Actually the rule is that objects cannot accelerate to a speed greater than that of the speed of light as their mass will become infinite. God is not within the universe, if anything the universe is within God. God encompasses the universe and is beyond it, this is why none of our laws of physics can comprehend him, because he extends beyond their scope.
Perhaps one should refer to God as IT. Does anyone believe God to be male, female, or an androgyny?
Infinty not being a number is irelevant in light of omnipotence. My question is, can God count to infinity? Much like, can God make true false. That is exactly why i picked it. Youre answer seems to be exactly what it was when i first asked "No". This means God is not omniopotent.Infinity is not a number. It is not possible to "count to infinity."
I agree that He is not, although i am not sure if he cannot become one. I beleive that he could if he chose to be. While Jesus has always existed forever, there was a time when he lived here on earth physically. Jesus is God.Jon said:God is not an object in the universe nor can become one;
I like these answers better. To further my point, since God created logic. Could he not easily create something that defies it? Could he not make something true and false at once? Could he not count infinity? I beleive that God does choose to work within logic, however he is not restricted by it. God made logic. Defined what true and false were. He could change the definitions if He wanted to. God is not limited to what is possible. God defined what possible was.Jon said:however, since he created both light and physics, he could easily create something that travels faster than the speed of light. And have you not read that God created everything from nothing?
Apparently my like/ dislike of them made me respond. Therefore it means something. Perhaps you should consider the consequences of youre own arguments before you decide how sound they are.jon said:Whether you like my answer or not could not matter less. What matters is sound arguments.
There are a number of theoretical and practical examples of particles exceeding the speed of light, sometimes by factors of up to 30 orders of magnitude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#.22Faster-than-light.22_observations_and_experimentsWhere? Ive never heard this.
Define omnipotence. You seem to be working with a definition that requires logical contradictions to be possibilities--something that is absurd.Infinty not being a number is irelevant in light of omnipotence. My question is, can God count to infinity? Much like, can God make true false. That is exactly why i picked it. Youre answer seems to be exactly what it was when i first asked "No". This means God is not omniopotent.
How can an infinite being become finite? No, there was a time when Jesus did not exist. Rather, the Son of God has always existed. Jesus is the God-Man, the union of a divine nature and a human nature; however, as all Christians believe, Christ's divine nature remains completely unaffected by his human nature; otherwise, God's property of immutability would be violated.I agree that He is not, although i am not sure if he cannot become one. I beleive that he could if he chose to be. While Jesus has always existed forever, there was a time when he lived here on earth physically. Jesus is God.
How do you know God created logic? How do you not know that logic is a property of God, of God's mind? I do not accept your assumption that logic was created.I like these answers better. To further my point, since God created logic. Could he not easily create something that defies it? Could he not make something true and false at once? Could he not count infinity? I beleive that God does choose to work within logic, however he is not restricted by it. God made logic. Defined what true and false were. He could change the definitions if He wanted to. God is not limited to what is possible. God defined what possible was.
If I did that then they wouldn't be sound arguments. Sound arguments are formally valid arguments with true premises--the consequences follow inexorably from them. If you find yourself rejecting peoples' arguments simply because you dislike the conclusions then perhaps you need to start taking a closer look at the arguments themselves. After all, it is sin to disbelieve what is true.Apparently my like/ dislike of them made me respond. Therefore it means something. Perhaps you should consider the consequences of youre own arguments before you decide how sound they are.
Yes, if something is omnipotent it can contradict logic. When i say omnipotent, I mean they can do anything. Things concievable and not. Perhaps it comes across as absurd to you, that isnt relevant.Define omnipotence. You seem to be working with a definition that requires logical contradictions to be possibilities--something that is absurd.
So youre suggesting that Jesus is not the Son of God? Are you suggesting that Jesus was just a temporary phase that the Son of God existed in? When Christ ressurected He did not leave "jesus" behind. Im not sure if youre definition holds. They are the same. Jesus is the Son of God and has always existed. I believe this is core to western Christian doctrine. If im being heretical please show me.jon said:How can an infinite being become finite? No, there was a time when Jesus did not exist. Rather, the Son of God has always existed. Jesus is the God-Man, the union of a divine nature and a human nature; however, as all Christians believe, Christ's divine nature remains completely unaffected by his human nature; otherwise, God's property of immutability would be violated.
God created everything. Including concepts that humans would eventually conceive. You could say that logic does not actually exist and is simply a human observation of the world(like math). However, it does exist in the human mind(per say) and therefore God conceived it. I do not believe anything that exist in the world was not first conceived by God. If you disagree with this i do not hold it against you but i must disagree.Jon said:How do you know God created logic? How do you not know that logic is a property of God, of God's mind? I do not accept your assumption that logic was created.
Jon said:If I did that then they wouldn't be sound arguments. Sound arguments are formally valid arguments with true premises--the consequences follow inexorably from them. If you find yourself rejecting peoples' arguments simply because you dislike the conclusions then perhaps you need to start taking a closer look at the arguments themselves. After all, it is sin to disbelieve what is true.
Then an omnipotent being can create something that is both omnipotent and impotent. How do you explain that? Absurdity is actually very relevant--it's at the heart of why your definition is wrong and unacceptable.Yes, if something is omnipotent it can contradict logic. When i say omnipotent, I mean they can do anything. Things concievable and not. Perhaps it comes across as absurd to you, that isnt relevant.
Please read what I said again. What I enumerated was nothing more than the orthodoxy of Chalcedon. All I said is that Jesus's human nature has not always existed, which was my contention against your comment that "Jesus has always existed forever. . . ."So youre suggesting that Jesus is not the Son of God? Are you suggesting that Jesus was just a temporary phase that the Son of God existed in? When Christ ressurected He did not leave "jesus" behind. Im not sure if youre definition holds. They are the same. Jesus is the Son of God and has always existed. I believe this is core to western Christian doctrine. If im being heretical please show me.
Are you using "conceive" as a synonym for "create?" Also, did God create love?God created everything. Including concepts that humans would eventually conceive. You could say that logic does not actually exist and is simply a human observation of the world(like math). However, it does exist in the human mind(per say) and therefore God conceived it. I do not believe anything that exist in the world was not first conceived by God. If you disagree with this i do not hold it against you but i must disagree.
No more than my like could be an indicator of its soundness.I dislike them because i think they are false. I do not like the conclusions or the thought processes that lead to them. Could my dislike be an indicator of the flaws within the argument?
Yes, i suppose it could. I cant explain it. But if it was omnipotent it should be able too.Then an omnipotent being can create something that is both omnipotent and impotent. How do you explain that? Absurdity is actually very relevant--it's at the heart of why your definition is wrong and unacceptable.
So, whats youre answer? At first it was Jesus did not always exist, now its his human nature. Im not sure if either is right. Jesus is 100% God, 100% man and always has been(or so i thought). Human nature and everything? Is this wrong?Jon said:Please read what I said again. What I enumerated was nothing more than the orthodoxy of Chalcedon. All I said is that Jesus's human nature has not always existed, which was my contention against your comment that "Jesus has always existed forever. . . ."
Sure. In as much as an intangible concept can be created, yes, God created it. Yes.Jon said:Are you using "conceive" as a synonym for "create?" Also, did God create love?
It is fine if you like it. I still disagree with it.No more than my like could be an indicator of its soundness.
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